RC Exodus of Experts

[RobbAdams]

Never been a big RC supporter my self.

I was pretty much riddiculed when I started in the hobby, for doing a 28 gallon tank.

Love Canreef, and spend some time on nano-reef

Robb

[rickjames]

That's unreal what has happened over there! What a shame.

Hey, maybe we can make a pitch to have them here on canreef! C'mon, who wouldn't pay for a membership to a board with those guys on it

[AndyL]

Whoops, that's what happens when I post at lunch - poor sentence structure...

What I meant was we do see some of the same attitudes that caused the meltdown on RC on occasion here on canreef.

[reeferaddict]

Originally Posted by AndyL

Whoops, that's what happens when I post at lunch - poor sentence structure...

What I meant was we do see some of the same attitudes that caused the meltdown on RC on occasion here on canreef.

Yup.... I've seen it myself... it's kept me from posting sometimes, just because it's not worth it... I DO notice that the people with the attitudes are some of the most narrow-minded people around with great egos. I found it delightfully refreshing to read Delbeek & Sprungs Volume 3 and hear those "reknowned experts" say there is more than one way to skin a cat... with regards to EVERYTHING in this hobby. If those guys can humble themselves it makes me wonder what kind of social problems the basement/closet AMATEUR reefers on here might have at times.

For the most part I find the people on here enjoyable, knowledgable and pleasant. I just don't give my attention to the "my way or the hiway" guys/gals... As far as I'm concerned they need to go take another whiz in their tank...

[AndyL]

Originally Posted by christyf5

Everyone has their own things that worked for them and may not work for others, just because people have stronger personalities and may not word it in a "politically correct" way doesn't mean we need to get rid of them.

Originally Posted by Delphinius

I'm not sure how we are to not "tolerate" certain opinions, and yet still retain the goal of keeping an open forum for discussion.

I wasn't suggesting persons shouldn't be allowed to express their beliefs, I've got no problem with that. Those of you who've met me know I've got some pretty strong ones myself.

The problem comes in with certain people who try to 'force' their opinions onto others. These are the lobbiests (ok I learned how to spell) I'm referring to, I personally don't see a problem with asking them to check their attitudes at the door. Being tollerant of an opinion is one thing, being tollerant of behaviour is something completely different.

Andy

[smokinreefer]

wow... thats quite the shame.

but its so true, RC has gotten so big, it can be quite overwhelming to 'casually' sift through daily posts.

i barely visit there much anymore, and even then only to browse a select few of the forums.

for better search functionality you need to donate and become a premium member. understandable given the mere size RC has grown to.

i've often felt few of the regulars there seem to be on a high horse and are very opinioned, which is very different than just expressing your opinion. but that can happen anywhere.

regardless, i have always thought of RC as a great reefing resource and most likely will continue to do so despite the recent happenings [of which i have not been following, nor aware of until now.] unless something turns me off the site and it drops off my radar [as reefs.org seems to have done. lol]

happy canreefing!

[Cap'n]

Originally Posted by reeferaddict

As far as I'm concerned they need to go take another whiz in their tank...

I've heard the Eastern European aquacultured albino hynopora REQUIRE a good whiz every week or so (depending on volume) to ensure a healthy exoskeleton when they split. However, this will only work if the tank does not have BB or DSB. A UK PHD told me he could COD authentic PP to me, confidentially.

Excuse me while I go "top-up" my tank.

[fakename]

I have been using reefcentral since before I jumped into this hobby 6 months ago. RC is certainly a great collection of experts and knowledge, but unfortunately is also a real collection of egos as well.
In my opinion (and it is only my opinion) what has happened at RC is something that is happenning in many areas of our society. Rudeness has become acceptable. Where a few years ago someone might say "a 20 gal tank isn't big enough for a tang, and it would be cruel to keep it there", the norm is now something more like "What sort of idiot would keep a tang in a 20 gal tank, IT IS NOT BIG ENOUGH." Although the information is the same, the message is totally different. (If you page through the newbie forum of RC, you'll see many examples.)
In many areas of modern society it is now acceptable to treat others, especially those who are not personally known, rudely. One only has to take a short drive in traffic or walk on a crowded sidewalk to see strangers behave badly towards one another. Online systems, especially those that offer relative anonymity are often even worse.
The funny thing is that most people in this hobby are educated, articulate, and polite in day to day life and would never dream of treating anyone in real life like they do on the boards.
I've mainly migrated over to CanReef, because I find the company here more pleasent. I think this is in part due to the fact that it is a nice group of people on this board, but even more because most people on this board are personally known to at least one other member. Rather than a community of total strangers CanReef is a web of personal aquantinances, and that pushes us in the direction of politeness.
The exodus of experts at RC is, to me, just the final straw in an escalating battle of intolerance, rudness, hot heads and big egos.
My 2 cents worth...
Cheers,
Aaron

[trilinearmipmap]

Originally Posted by fakename

what has happened at RC is something that is happenning in many areas of our society. Rudeness has become acceptable. Where a few years ago someone might say "a 20 gal tank isn't big enough for a tang, and it would be cruel to keep it there", the norm is now something more like "What sort of idiot would keep a tang in a 20 gal tank, IT IS NOT BIG ENOUGH." Although the information is the same, the message is totally different.

Agreed.

Also I have noticed it is easy to bash someone over the internet because there if no fear that they will retaliate.

I don't believe in DSB but so what, how does that translate into making a personal vendetta against someone? Some very strange personalities are at play there.

It is a shame, RC used to be a good resource two or three years ago, for the past year it is just a disorganized collection of random information.

Thankfully other than a few unmemorable postings, the Canreef forum seems just about the opposite of RC. Lots of information and opinions, supportive and friendly people on this board. Even if you post a pic of an empty tank full of barren rocks you will get posts complimenting your little masterpiece.

[reeferaddict]

Originally Posted by CptCleverer

I've heard the Eastern European aquacultured albino hynopora REQUIRE a good whiz every week or so (depending on volume) to ensure a healthy exoskeleton when they split. However, this will only work if the tank does not have BB or DSB. A UK PHD told me he could COD authentic PP to me, confidentially.

Excuse me while I go "top-up" my tank.

Haha! That almost made me PP on my DSB, but I had to have my BB spanked first...