Golden Retriever

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by marie

..........experience, 35 yrs of grooming them and 30 yrs of training.
All the so called top ten smart breeds are based on how easy the breed is to train and just because a breed is eager to please humans doesn't necessarily make it intelligent. It's a sad fact that a lot of truely intelligent dogs end up being put down because of "problem" behaviour

I wasn't going by that list, was using the actual intelligence list that has brad's dog right up in the top two. it goes by actual intelligence not eager to please. mine has figured out how to do some things that just make me scratch my head and it pleased no one but the dog...... I'll see if I can find it again it was three years ago when I was looking into it, but they talk about train-ability and intelligence.

They do get a bum rap and people call them dumb because they tend to be stubborn and free willed., and I have found if you use treats to train, then don't expect them to do it again if you don't have a treat

Steve

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

I wasn't going by that list, was using the actual intelligence list that has brad's dog right up in the top two.

Steve

Sorry, that list does specify train-ability But I do agree, the ones I've seen are fairly smart, working in the agility ring. They can put things together fairly well. Not like Border Collies, mind you, but still pretty sharp. I think they're great dogs for families with kids. I wouldn't call them dumb, just happy. If you want dumb, get an Aussie

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

I wouldn't call them dumb, just happy. If you want dumb, get an Aussie

oh I call him dumb all the time, expecialy at 10:30 at night when I am in my robe trying to go to bed and the dumbA$$ won't come in because I don't have a treat in my hand. He thinks its funny just to sit there and play dumb.

Steve

[intarsiabox]

I've seen lots of pure breds in Edmonton that have registered parents but the owners didn't register the puppies for very reasonable prices. My dog is from a husky breeder that happened to be trying to sell their acreage at the time so they were selling the puppies unregistered for a third of their usual price. Some people just do it because they love puppies and don't register any of them even though they could and get more money. Just need to spend some time and keep an eye out.

[Aquattro]

http://www.whitephantomkennels.com/r...t-not-papered/

just some info..

[intarsiabox]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

http://www.whitephantomkennels.com/r...t-not-papered/

just some info..

Makes a good point about disease/defect tests. Always ask for proof of the testing and first shots regardless of breeder, hobbiest, registered or unregistered. I took the rest with a grain of salt after I read their article on how crossbreeds are bad and imply that most people who doesn't register their dogs or sell crossbreeds are out to scam you and don't care for their animals.

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by intarsiabox

I took the rest with a grain of salt after I read their article on how crossbreeds are bad and imply that most people who doesn't register their dogs or sell crossbreeds are out to scam you and don't care for their animals.

Never even read that part, just pointing out the registering part. I have a pitty X from the SPCA, best dog ever.
That being said, if someone with a cross is trying to get big bucks for puppies, it's pretty scammy
For purebred dogs, sold as purebred, they must be registered and accompanied by papers by law. Any decent breeder would know this and not offer paperless options, cheaper or not.
I agree papers are pointless to most people, I keep mine around so I remember my dogs birthdays -lol

[intarsiabox]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

I agree papers are pointless to most people, I keep mine around so I remember my dogs birthdays -lol

I keep the wife around for the same reason!

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by intarsiabox

I've seen lots of pure breds in Edmonton that have registered parents but the owners didn't register the puppies for very reasonable prices. My dog is from a husky breeder that happened to be trying to sell their acreage at the time so they were selling the puppies unregistered for a third of their usual price. Some people just do it because they love puppies and don't register any of them even though they could and get more money. Just need to spend some time and keep an eye out.

it just doesn't make sence. it cost under 20 bucks to regester a dog as a private individual, if you are a breeder doing 2 or more of a litter it is even cheeper. why would they discount 300 to 800 bucks to save 20?
usaly if they don't register them it is because they can't.

Steve

[Ram3500]

Anyone who says that golden retrievers are not the smartest or like blonds . Has never owned one . I have had two retrievers our first one was so smart at times I thought she could read my mind. Unfortunately she passed away at the young age of six. Our current golden is nine and she still has the energy of a puppy . Great dogs I cants say enough about the loyalty factor they have followed by two boys around like they were there own pups. My first golden would put my son to bed when he was little and as soon as he fell asleep she would walk down stairs after doing her job. Good luck finding a new member to your family but I do warn you that your Going to need a good vacuum