Why the hell do people buy clown fish!??? Big problems with mine.

pseudonym · #1 09-21-2012, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Nano

Well if I'm overstocked, what does that make your tank? Just sayin. I mean to put tangs in a 29...

As I said, I don't think stocking is a simple question. It depends on where the fish lives and what it eats. You have three fish that live mid water. In a 30, to my mind that is too much. I divide the tank into sections. First, open water fish and in rock fish. Then I look at the level they live in: Top level, mid level, and then lower level (in a breeder I only look at mid and bottom. There are very few actual top layer marine fish for aquaria). Each level and area has to be looked at differently and needs to be stocked specifically for that area. You can have an overstocked area, and still have an understocked tank for instance.

After that you have to look at food, and where that food comes from. Does the fish have a utility role in the tank that reduces bio load? Does it complete for food from the tank with other fish or is it a decorative fish where it's primary nutrition comes from you feeding or does it mostly eat things inside the tank and only need supplemental feeding? All that is a stocking question that has to be answered after you figure out what area the fish lives in.

As I said, not a simple question. In your case I would say that you have your mid level, open water area over stocked, your mid level, in-rock area contains a wrasse and the rest have no stocking at all.

That is just my view on it of course.

Nano · #2 09-21-2012, 03:49 AM

K......

And you have a lawn mower blenny ripping around every where, clowns which basically protect their hosting spot, 2 tangs which in a tank that size will swim where ever they can to keep up with the tiny space they are crammed into, 3 pipefish, and 2 mandarins which are all pod eaters (so wouldn't that mean they are competing for food? Especially in such a small tank?)... I'm not going to argue this with you. My post count for the day is getting to high. Plain and simple I may be overstocked in my open water, but yet I have no problems in my tank aggression wise.. weird..

I was just trying to help like everyone else, but seems I said something you didnt like, maybe it was the tang remark? Anyways you didn't like it so you start pointing the finger at me.. not a good way to get help here.

Time for some wobbly pops :P

pseudonym · #3 09-21-2012, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Nano

K......

And you have a lawn mower blenny ripping around every where, clowns which basically protect their hosting spot, 2 tangs which in a tank that size will swim where ever they can to keep up with the tiny space they are crammed into, 3 pipefish, and 2 mandarins which are all pod eaters (so wouldn't that mean they are competing for food? Especially in such a small tank?)... I'm not going to argue this with you. My post count for the day is getting to high. Plain and simple I may be overstocked in my open water, but yet I have no problems in my tank aggression wise.. weird..

I was just trying to help like everyone else, but seems I said something you didnt like, maybe it was the tang remark? Anyways you didn't like it so you start pointing the finger at me.. not a good way to get help here.

Time for some wobbly pops :P

The tangs are very young so are currently in-rock, mid level fish. Clowns are generally mid level, open water fish and it wasn't until they lost their host that they started going out anywhere else. I am thinking they were exploring to find a new host. Now the pipefish and the mandarins! I knew you would bring those up. First, they live in VERY different areas of the tank and hunt in different areas. The pipefish are bottom, open water and the mandarins are bottom, in-rock. They do slightly compete, but not how you think. The mandarins like a larger size of pod than the pipefish. So they hunt different life stages of their food. In addition, I do supplemental feeding of artemia for both animals as well as the crinoids and dendro.

I realize your opinion is that the tank is overstocked and that is why I am having aggression issues. However, you fail to take into account the changing situation in the tank and the fact that it was very very peaceful until the clowns lost their host. None of that has to do with stocking. Quite simply, your explanation doesn't account for the entire situation.

Quite simply, I think you have an easy answer that you like to kick out. You like it because it is hard to refute and you think that you must be right because you don't have the same issues. That is specious logic my friend.

If it was a stocking issue, I would have had aggression issues FAR earlier than this. Sorry to burst your bubble. I think you look at stocking is a far too simplistic fashion myself. But, each to their own.

As I recall, I was asking for info, not help (other than how to catch the things). Stop thinking that you are handing out pearls to swine. I came here for a discussion, not to hear you lecture without challenge.

Nano · #4 09-21-2012, 04:03 AM

Ok
Good luck

mrhasan · #5 09-21-2012, 04:03 AM

First the aggression started with the clowns and now this

pseudonym · #6 09-21-2012, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mrhasan

First the aggression started with the clowns and now this

sorry, not trying to be aggressive. However, I find the attitude that some members have to be.. well.. down right hostile. Nano is a very good example in this thread. Simplistic answers to questions that no one asked used as a way to one-up someone else is not what I would consider constructive. I tried to answer his questions constructively, but when it is apparent that the person only wants to troll .. I don't have time for that BS.

Aquattro · #7 09-21-2012, 04:24 AM

Please leave the name calling off the board, k?

pseudonym · #8 09-21-2012, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquattro

Please leave the name calling off the board, k?

Ummm.. name calling? What the hell are you talking about man?

MarkoD · #9 09-21-2012, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquattro

Please leave the name calling off the board, k?

Ban for animal cruelty

MarkoD · #10 09-21-2012, 04:25 AM

You're the troll here. Putting tangs in a 29 gallon tank? And then talking about mid level and lower level? How high is a 29 gallon tank? 18 inches?

That's not the ocean where fish live at different depths.

I have a 180 gallon tank and my tangs are all over the place. I also have 2 clowns that have never shown any signs of aggression.