Bean Animal drains not draining properly

[braid11]

Originally Posted by meander

Bean has posted pretty specifically several times in his thread at RC that this system won't work with horizontal runs. He hasn't offered any thoughts on a solution for horizontal runs, he's just said if you've got horizontal runs, you're not using his system so he can't help.

Most of the problems people have written about are not with flooding, but with noise. The issue there is that the open channel stops being an open channel if it's not pretty much vertical. The theory of operation is that the water in the open channel clings to the sides of the pipe as it washes down to the sump, but sharp bends and/or horizontal runs wreck that effect.

I'm just about to test my own basement sump beananimal, and I've unavoidably got a couple of 22.5 degree bends in my open channel. I am hoping that it will work without issues...

I had read that.

I have managed to make my system go dead silent at the DT end. Not sure what it's like 1/2 way along.

I just want to make it flow a bit more than 900 GPH, and be able to restart without my assistance. Also, I think those horizontal sections makes the system take a lot longer to purge air, and to find it's equilibrium.

I'm sure yours will be fine with a couple 22.5 bends.

Tom

[fishytime]

please forgive my ignorance but......whats the advantage of the Bean overflow over the Herbie?......Ive never used one, nor do I think Ive ever seen one being used on anybodies system that Ive seen.....seems like quite a lot of extra expense (two gate valves and three bulkheads versus one gate and two bulkheads) and fiddling around with the Bean......

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by fishytime

please forgive my ignorance but......whats the advantage of the Bean overflow over the Herbie?......Ive never used one, nor do I think Ive ever seen one being used on anybodies system that Ive seen.....seems like quite a lot of extra expense (two gate valves and three bulkheads versus one gate and two bulkheads) and fiddling around with the Bean......

Über quite. Absolutely no chance of flood tank. Lol well. Once it's running.

[gregzz4]

With the Bean Animal, the 2nd and 3rd valves are only there to completely isolate those lines during maintenance.
The advantage over a Herbie is thus;

The first line takes full flow as it's completely submerged.

The second, open channel line (with the air line) may take some overage from the first, but has air introduced into it, so it takes no time to handle the overage - there is no purging. When the overflow rises enough to block the end of the air line, the second now becomes full flow.

The third line is there as a last resort/backup.

[fishytime]

Originally Posted by Titus99

Über quite. Absolutely no chance of flood tank. Lol well. Once it's running.

Originally Posted by gregzz4

With the Bean Animal, the 2nd and 3rd valves are only there to completely isolate those lines during maintenance.
The advantage over a Herbie is thus;

The first line takes full flow as it's completely submerged.

The second, open channel line (with the air line) may take some overage from the first, but has air introduced into it, so it takes no time to handle the overage - there is no purging. When the overflow rises enough to block the end of the air line, the second now becomes full flow.

The third line is there as a last resort/backup.

ok.....but a Herbie does all that with two drains.....no siphon, no air line etc, etc.....

[gregzz4]

Originally Posted by fishytime

ok.....but a Herbie does all that with two drains.....no siphon, no air line etc, etc.....

The Herbie works just fine for most, and is what I am setting up on my Aqueon 75g RR, but, the emergency line on a Herbie has to purge itself of air before it can flow full volume. For most of us, that is on the edge of flood as most of our emerg lines are high and small.
All the Bean does is place the secondary at the same height of the main, so it's less prone to floods. Then you still have an emerg as well. And all 3 are large pipe.
Plus, the Bean is self-adjusting, and our Herb's aren't fully auto.

[fishytime]

Originally Posted by gregzz4

The Herbie works just fine for most, and is what I am setting up on my Aqueon 75g RR, but, the emergency line on a Herbie has to purge itself of air before it can flow full volume. For most of us, that is on the edge of flood as most of our emerg lines are high and small.
All the Bean does is place the secondary at the same height of the main, so it's less prone to floods. Then you still have an emerg

how?.....you stop the emergency just short of your water line in the sump so you can hear if the primary is clogged or needs adjusting....straight open run means no purging......

[madkeenreefer]

I have gone through this befor with a basement sump. I also have the same pump as you and hose size .
There's not a big difference in our set-ups. My horizontal run is 16'.
The most critical part for basement sump is all that horizontal laying pipe slowing
down the inertia of flow.
I have found that creating a angled as oppossed to a true horizontal run was the key to getting the air forced out of the siphon line , the other lines were all left horizontal.
In this pic you see the sipon line up higher then the rest of the lines

From the top of the truss I just shimmed the return line to create a angle until I was at the bottom of the truss.


Oh ps. the small drilled hole is ment to be just above the waterline when the sump is at running level, this reduces the pressure at the end of the hose which allows the air to purge.