Bean Animal drains not draining properly

[fishytime]

please forgive my ignorance but......whats the advantage of the Bean overflow over the Herbie?......Ive never used one, nor do I think Ive ever seen one being used on anybodies system that Ive seen.....seems like quite a lot of extra expense (two gate valves and three bulkheads versus one gate and two bulkheads) and fiddling around with the Bean......

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by fishytime

please forgive my ignorance but......whats the advantage of the Bean overflow over the Herbie?......Ive never used one, nor do I think Ive ever seen one being used on anybodies system that Ive seen.....seems like quite a lot of extra expense (two gate valves and three bulkheads versus one gate and two bulkheads) and fiddling around with the Bean......

Über quite. Absolutely no chance of flood tank. Lol well. Once it's running.

[gregzz4]

With the Bean Animal, the 2nd and 3rd valves are only there to completely isolate those lines during maintenance.
The advantage over a Herbie is thus;

The first line takes full flow as it's completely submerged.

The second, open channel line (with the air line) may take some overage from the first, but has air introduced into it, so it takes no time to handle the overage - there is no purging. When the overflow rises enough to block the end of the air line, the second now becomes full flow.

The third line is there as a last resort/backup.

[fishytime]

Originally Posted by Titus99

Über quite. Absolutely no chance of flood tank. Lol well. Once it's running.

Originally Posted by gregzz4

With the Bean Animal, the 2nd and 3rd valves are only there to completely isolate those lines during maintenance.
The advantage over a Herbie is thus;

The first line takes full flow as it's completely submerged.

The second, open channel line (with the air line) may take some overage from the first, but has air introduced into it, so it takes no time to handle the overage - there is no purging. When the overflow rises enough to block the end of the air line, the second now becomes full flow.

The third line is there as a last resort/backup.

ok.....but a Herbie does all that with two drains.....no siphon, no air line etc, etc.....

[gregzz4]

Originally Posted by fishytime

ok.....but a Herbie does all that with two drains.....no siphon, no air line etc, etc.....

The Herbie works just fine for most, and is what I am setting up on my Aqueon 75g RR, but, the emergency line on a Herbie has to purge itself of air before it can flow full volume. For most of us, that is on the edge of flood as most of our emerg lines are high and small.
All the Bean does is place the secondary at the same height of the main, so it's less prone to floods. Then you still have an emerg as well. And all 3 are large pipe.
Plus, the Bean is self-adjusting, and our Herb's aren't fully auto.

[fishytime]

Originally Posted by gregzz4

The Herbie works just fine for most, and is what I am setting up on my Aqueon 75g RR, but, the emergency line on a Herbie has to purge itself of air before it can flow full volume. For most of us, that is on the edge of flood as most of our emerg lines are high and small.
All the Bean does is place the secondary at the same height of the main, so it's less prone to floods. Then you still have an emerg

how?.....you stop the emergency just short of your water line in the sump so you can hear if the primary is clogged or needs adjusting....straight open run means no purging......

[Daimyo68]

Below is my 50g with the BA drain system. As some have mentioned here and BeanAnimal has in his threads, Horizontal is not how his system is meant to run. Vertically is the best way to make his system run optimally. There are no bends/elbows for the water to hit, causing friction, hence slowing down. Unfortunately, this isn't always possible, as you will see below.

In the first image from left to right- Secondary drain | Siphon Drain | Emergency

I have a slight horizontal run, about 4", before it 45's down to the sump. I tried to avoid this but the way the Oceanic stand is built with the center brace, I couldn't. While this isn't the way the system is designed, it does work and is quite.

If you have to go horizontal at all, it's best to make it as short as possible.

On my 75g image (SPS tank in the works), the Siphon line isn't completely vertical, but it still lets gravity do it's job. I could have drilled at the upper back corner for all 3 drains, but I didn't want my mini C2C to be offset to one side, and opted to drill at the upper center, just under the brace.

In all honesty, the "reef ready", Herbie and BeanAnimal all work with the same thing in mind, drain the water to the sump. The BeanAnimal has the advantage of a failsafe channel and +3000gph through 1.5" plumbing on a completely vertical system. I'm sure that a Herbie through 1.5" could probably do the same, if not close to gph.

When it comes down to it, do we all really need the BA system? The answer is no. I really think it's more of a "reef geek" thing. Just like PC lighting, to HO, to Halides, to T5HO, and now LED's, it's the latest/greatest thing since sliced bread

[gregzz4]

Originally Posted by fishytime

how?.....you stop the emergency just short of your water line in the sump so you can hear if the primary is clogged or needs adjusting....straight open run means no purging......

Not sure what your 'how' is referencing, but, here goes ...
You can't hear it from work
Remember, I'm setting up a Herbie, so don't pick on me.
I'm just stating what I've learned about the Bean.
It's self-adjusting and virtually flood-proof. The Herbie is very close to this, but is NOT flood-proof.

[garwood]

Originally Posted by fishytime

how?.....you stop the emergency just short of your water line in the sump so you can hear if the primary is clogged or needs adjusting....straight open run means no purging......

[madkeenreefer]

I have gone through this befor with a basement sump. I also have the same pump as you and hose size .
There's not a big difference in our set-ups. My horizontal run is 16'.
The most critical part for basement sump is all that horizontal laying pipe slowing
down the inertia of flow.
I have found that creating a angled as oppossed to a true horizontal run was the key to getting the air forced out of the siphon line , the other lines were all left horizontal.
In this pic you see the sipon line up higher then the rest of the lines

From the top of the truss I just shimmed the return line to create a angle until I was at the bottom of the truss.


Oh ps. the small drilled hole is ment to be just above the waterline when the sump is at running level, this reduces the pressure at the end of the hose which allows the air to purge.