dart pump question

[Lance]

Originally Posted by christyf5

Oh cool. I still don't get the reason for the gate valve?? Dumb it down for me

The gate valve enables you to match the water being pumped back to the tank with the water draining into the sump. And if you have a gate valve on the drain line as well, it makes it easy to turn off the drain water for whatever reason: repairs, feeding, etc.

[christyf5]

Originally Posted by Lance

The gate valve enables you to match the water being pumped back to the tank with the water draining into the sump. And if you have a gate valve on the drain line as well, it makes it easy to turn off the drain water for whatever reason: repairs, feeding, etc.

Got it! Thanks

[Lance]

Also by using the gate valve you can set your return flow to whatever you want.If you find the flow is too much from the pump just close the valve until you get it where you want it. Sequence pumps actually run quieter and last longer when under less load.

[hillegom]

From the Reef Aquarium, by delbeek and Sprung vol 3 2005
Page 111 table 3.4
For every 1.5 in 90 deg elbow The extra resistance in thermoplastic pipe in feet is like adding 4 extra feet of pipe.
Let me restate
Adding a 90 deg elbow into 1.5 in pipe increases the resistance of the water as if you added 4 more feet of pipe.
How much resistance equivalent to feet of head, depends on the volume or g/hr you are pushing with the pump

[BlueAbyss]

Originally Posted by hillegom

From the Reef Aquarium, by delbeek and Sprung vol 3 2005
Page 111 table 3.4
For every 1.5 in 90 deg elbow The extra resistance in thermoplastic pipe in feet is like adding 4 extra feet of pipe.
Let me restate
Adding a 90 deg elbow into 1.5 in pipe increases the resistance of the water as if you added 4 more feet of pipe.
How much resistance equivalent to feet of head, depends on the volume or g/hr you are pushing with the pump

So what you are saying is that a pump that pushes less volume will have less loss in a 90 degree elbow, all other things being the same? ie: A 1000 gph pump pushing water through a 1.5" 90 degree elbow will incur less losses than a 2000 gph pump?

For some reason that seems right, relating to some reading on fluid dynamics I've done... Can't remember exactly, but there's some sort of mathematical equation for that sort of thing... I don't have the book anymore, either, can anyone clarify this?

Anyhow, I would go ahead and use spaflex, just to avoid all of this... you will still incur some loss but 90 degree elbows are really really bad for friction losses because of the turbulence in the sharp corner of the bend.

+1 on using gate valves, and having some back pressure on the pump will not only make it run quieter but (I may have read somewhere) may make it consume less power.

[wolf_bluejay]

I just pulled my dart and replaced it with a snapper. But my setup is close to what you are planning, but without the sea swirls. I would recommend going with 1.5" spaflex (what I have) as it will give you a bit better flow. I get about 1500-1700 gph out of the dart going up 6ft to the tank with 2- 45's,3 90's and gate value and a swing check in there.



Oversize pipe also makes it a whole lot easier if you want to ever upgrade pump. Just swap out the pump and go. Even better with the dart and snapper becuase the arfe the same wet end. Just undo one, and put the other in place.

Anyway, you'll get pretty good flow out of the dart. and a BIG +1 on the gatge valves -- I put one before and after the pump with a union to be able to remove the pump for service without draining the sump.