"xenia crash" can someone see the problem in xenia picture i posted

[fishguy007]

it was fiji live rock. was taken out of a tank and dried for a few months and then washed with a hose and dried again. so the guy told me no cycling.

i have a few pieces of live rock from the corals that i added.

just orederd a refractometer now.

no. another guy told me that i dont reall have to add anything. is that true. he said a reef could be fine with no chemicals.

iin there now i have two occ clowns. one blk occ clown. a yellow watchman godby,. a hipo tang and a yellow tang. its only a 32 gallon tank

i just test
ph
nitrate
nitrite
and ammonia

should i buy more test kits. i got what the lfs told me.

so would the cycle cause the ph to be low., and how long will this cycle take. the tank have been runnig for over a moonth now.

[Aquattro]

If your tank is a month old, you didn't use live rock, nd your dosing everything the store sells, you're in trouble. You should not have those fishin there yet, and a couple should never go in there.
Return the tangs, tank is too small. Return any additives, tank doesn't need them. Find new fish store, you don't need that one.
Don't buy anything else until you ask here or another board. We don't sell stuff here, so our advice is not biased.
You need to slow down. A lot.

[Black Phantom]

Sorry to agree but your tank is way too small for those tangs. What other corals do you have close by the zenia. They may be getting stung or under a chemical attack.
I can't have Zenia in my big tank as they just shrivel and die, but they grow like weeds in my 50. Exact same water just different corals.

[dabandit]

When you add a new fish to your tank it needs to cycle again to develop enough bacteria to clean the waste the new fish produces,your adding fish faster than your tank can develop the bacteria to keep the water pure..result-system crash,add 1 fish wait 2-4weeks add another and so on. Running a tank that small,new and overstocked theres no way your ammonia,nitrate are at zero. And as I mentioned before you also need to test for phosphate,ka alkalinity,magnesium if you want to keep a reef.

[dabandit]

For the gentleman who says you cant rush a cycle I suggest you educate yourself on the subject ,there are a variety of ways to rush an initial cycle.
I've pulled it off in about a week using cured re seeded live rock,1/2live sand from an established tank and 1/2 water from an established tank. Basically at that point your just doing a 40-50%water change. p.s when the store told you no cycling on the live rock they ment no die off on the live rock,cycle still needs to be done to add the bacteria and such.

[Powertec]

Originally Posted by dabandit

For the gentleman who says you cant rush a cycle I suggest you educate yourself on the subject ,there are a variety of ways to rush an initial cycle.
I've pulled it off in about a week using cured re seeded live rock,1/2live sand from an established tank and 1/2 water from an established tank. Basically at that point your just doing a 40-50%water change. p.s when the store told you no cycling on the live rock they ment no die off on the live rock,cycle still needs to be done to add the bacteria and such.

The idea on the you can't rush a cycle. Is how exactly do you propose he is going to do that now after the tank is already set up and has livestock in it?I am very aware at the fact that you can push a cycle but that is all before you add a tank full of stuff who is gonna suffer now as it wasn't cycled properly before it was all added.

And you might want to educate yourself on base rock. It does still have a cycle.I bought 150 pounds of base rock and i still had ammonia and went through a full cycle. So in all reality you still have die off.All the stuff that dies in all the nook's and crannies inside that rock will decompose when added to water.If you are buying actual live rock which has been dried out that is...Which is what he stated to me he bought.

[dabandit]

Ok partner I can see I hit a sore spot for you. The question was can you rush a cycle the answer is yes.....simple. Im sorry the liverock you bought wasnt fully cured,fyi all liverock will allways leech these nasties even after years in a tank die off is a never ending battle as the pores of the rock fill with detrious and dead bacteria. Ask around partner I know im not the only one rushing cycles like this. P.S if you want to skip cycle buy your liverock from a fellow reefer directlly from display ie(seeded) rather than from an lfs.

P.S I never said you didnt have to cycle,it just speeds it up as the nitrifying bacteria are allready present. Similar to the cycle you get when you add a new fish
also why couldnt he replace his rock or add new stuff? I suggest you take a deep breath read what I wrote and think about what your saying

Cheers