HELP....Ginger has lots and lots of new puppies

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by Jamieh

Just so I get this all straight with the Holier than Thou breeders of the board. No one but you experts whose sole purpose is to further the genetic make-up and strive for perfection in the breed should be able to breed and sell puppies??? I wonder if the Labra-Doodle breeders are included in your clan?

Hmm, antagonism is great. Let's go with it. Each dog has a purpose (you have a dog, right?). The purpose of the dog should be maintained or improved upon in a breeding program. We'll use Bostons, since this is what the thread is about. Bostons were originally bred for the show ring. In this case, true afficiandos of Boston Terriers would assert that only top placing dogs in nationally recongnized shows are bred. This keeps the true nature of the breed intact. We also want to weed out cataracts (both juvenile and adult type), cherry eye, luxating patellas, deafness, heart murmur, and allergies. Parents and grand-parents checked and cleared? Right. Next. Temperment. Do all the lines of this litter have the desired temperment? Hope so, I see lots of dogs discarded for temperment issues, and repeat breedings done to create more problem dogs. Is the breeder prepared to be responsible for the life of all pups, following up as needed?
anything doodles are just wrong, not even gonna get into that.

But holier than thou, not so much. Holier than you? I'd say absolutely. I'm standing up for dogs that don't get a say in any of this, you're just shooting your mouth off on the Internet. If you've got some facts, bring them, if you've just got a mouth, go away.

[Jamieh]

My turn now. See you have a Bichon and you have a Shih-Tzu. Purpose of both to 90% of world is family pet. Both have some problems in the breed such as nasal in the Shih-Tzu. Cross breed them and you usually end up with a great family pet with few health issues. But to you perfect people this should not be allowed and little Sally should have Shih-Tzu with bad nasal problems. Not to mention how few actual genetic breeders there are vs how many people only want a good healthy family pet.

[Jamieh]

I also find it quite amusing that people point to pet store selling puppies as the major cause of shelters being crowded yet you refer to fluffy down the street being bred. I visit shelters and the SPCA very regularly and very rarely do I see many small breed dogs in their windowns yet when I visit pet stores I find only small breed dogs in their windows????

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by Jamieh

I also find it quite amusing that people point to pet store selling puppies as the major cause of shelters being crowded yet you refer to fluffy down the street being bred. I visit shelters and the SPCA very regularly and very rarely do I see many small breed dogs in their windowns yet when I visit pet stores I find only small breed dogs in their windows????

My parents bought a small breed dog from a pet store. It died 3 weeks later of exploding heart. Blood all over my mom as she held it. Ya, it never made it to the pound.
The problem with pet store puppies, in general, are health issues. They often come from puppy mills that mass produce without regard to any of the issues discussed. It's a for profit business model.
Most times you visit a city pound, you only see mutts. This is due to the purebreds being shipped out immediately to breed specific rescues who are much better equipped to find the dog a proper home. Like I said, BTCC has 70 Boston Terriers a year come through their rescue. Border Collie rescues all across N America get thousands of PB BCs each year. Call any small breed specific rescue and ask how many they process, I bet you'll be shocked.

[Jamieh]

Little general with your thoughts on pet stores I think. And that sample size of your parents is conclusive evidence. I think when you consider they number of Boston puppies born each year finding 70 go to rescue is not exactly a large number not than any number is good. I have heard of many people's stories over the years about health issues with so called registered professional breeders. I don't however jump to the conclusion that all are bad!!

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by Jamieh

Little general with your thoughts on pet stores I think. And that sample size of your parents is conclusive evidence. I think when you consider they number of Boston puppies born each year finding 70 go to rescue is not exactly a large number not than any number is good. I have heard of many people's stories over the years about health issues with so called registered professional breeders. I don't however jump to the conclusion that all are bad!!

To clarify, 70 dogs to one rescue org. There are a lot more just for that breed.
And in no way am I saying a "professional breeder" is better, many of these are the worst. They have a flashy website, lots of puppy pics, etc, but are generally a profit based business. Perhaps a better description should be "authentic breeder"? I dunno, but I'm pretty sure you can figure out what I mean. Esentially, a breeder who does it for the love of the breed, with the intent and purpose of breeding clearly defined as to promote a healthy representative for their breed. This creates a puppy with the best chances for a long healthy life. Does it stop all the problems? No way. But every little bit helps, no?

[lockrookie]

i have this overwelming urge to watch free willy...

my parents got a dog through the ckc .. purebred american cocker.. got cateracts (however its spelt) in a year and cancer 2 years later.

no matter how the breeding my only concern, for any pet /animal is a good loving home. when i was a kid we got an english cocker who refused to die he was a superdog lived 14 years.

i do agree some ppl should not try to breed period animal or otherwise. lol

i think ,and im guilty of this as well, ppl have misread or taken too quick to judge, and have gotten a little heated of this poor guy and his puppies. i personally feel bad for my two dogs. the lab is two nuts short of manhood and the only thing he has ever humped was another male dog.. and our female shepard collie cross.. i think the snipped her brains by accident.. but i love them both all the same.

in the end we all should sniff eachothers butts and make up hehehe

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by lockrookie

no matter how the breeding my only concern, for any pet /animal is a good loving home.

Yes, but often the loving home turns unloving, when huge vet bills come in, and the dog has seizures every other day, and poops all over everything. Then it's often discarded. Not always, but often. Proper breeding, with top priority given to health and temperment (which to evaluate properly takes considerable time and money) will help to ensure that the dog gets to enjoy a happy healthy life, and makes an enjoyable experience for both dog and humans. Without the enjoyment on both sides, these things often end badly (for the dog).

[lockrookie]

trust me i know what your saying i do probono work for the humain society here.. i help them break in to homes to rescue animals. i dont charge them for the service. i just do it cause it something i can do for the animals.

ah well i was just trying to lighten the mood im off again.

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by Jamieh

I also find it quite amusing that people point to pet store selling puppies as the major cause of shelters being crowded yet you refer to fluffy down the street being bred. I visit shelters and the SPCA very regularly and very rarely do I see many small breed dogs in their windowns yet when I visit pet stores I find only small breed dogs in their windows????

My friend volenteers with the SPCA, unles you go every day you wont see the little dogs, there are 7X more little dogs going through the one here than big dogs but they go very fast as city people want little dogs that will be happy in small yards or houses.

same thing goes for pet stores.. the average person buys small cute dogs, so while GSD, Golden, lab ect puppys are extreamly cute they get big real fast and they become unsellable, so they tend to stick with smaller dogs that will stay cute longer.

Steve