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07-09-2011, 09:47 AM
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mini tank crash....palythoa toxin the cause???
well im rotted now for sure last night i added a huge colony of palys and around 400+ heads and this morning when i woke up i had discovered a mini crash in my tank.my coral banded shrimp is dead, all sps completely bleached white and my elegance and open brain are closed up tight as can be and inflated in areas.while putting the palys in my tank last night there was some sliming as they were ****ed to be handled.all fish are fine and water tests show nothing no amonia and ph perfect.snails and crabs didnt seem to mind either nor did my feather dusters and anemones in fact my rbta has never looked so good.......
ive done a large water change and just changed out the carbon and already my elegance is starting to open up so i have it fixed up but now im curious on the potency of the palythoa toxin on inverts and lps????? rotted i tell ya i loved my coral banded shrimp and ive been having such good luck with this elegance so far 
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07-09-2011, 09:57 AM
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all zoanthids are also closed up which they are always open and my lawnmower blenny is mia and my gorgs polyps are retracted the only thing in my tank that looks the way it should are the palys which are opened up big and bright and the anemones which dont seem to mind.
i guess ill see how things look by the time i get home from work ......
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07-09-2011, 05:29 PM
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I know someone who's blue hippe ate all of his paly and zoanthids...that fish is still alive and kicking so no, I seriously doubt that it could be the case. YOu could have introduced some vibrio bacterias that are anoying your coral. It's usualy what cause the brown jelly and then the protozoares take theire share.
I have lots of paly and zoanthids in my nano and when I toutch them and frag them they produce alot of slime and that's only 20 gallons and all my sps in there are always fine. Especialy your zoanthids should not be bothered by the palytoxine, that is if they do carry that toxine wich is far from sure, or any slime from the palythoas. I have zoanthids and palythoas growing side by side and they are ok with that. Quote:
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07-09-2011, 06:02 PM
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its def weird i just got home and my lawnmower is dead, my zoas are still closed shut,my elegance is shriveled up to nothing and same with my brain one feather duster is now out but the other is still closed.its weird because the only change that happened was the palys i put in last night and its a huge colony prob the size of a small football and there was alot of slime like it was everywhere.im gonna do a small water change here now again and inspect on some things even further i never had a whole lot of time this morning. my sps is bleached completely white.all corals were absolutely fine when i went to bed as it was late when i got the palys and all this happened in like 8hrs sps had awesome colour , my feather dusters and zoas are always open throughout the night and usually my brain has his feeders out when i wake up and once under the light for a bit the brain and elegance get quite big but none of that was the case thios morning plus i lost my shrimp and my lawnmower blenny.my clown and chromis are swimming around just fine and my rbta which has been struggling since its new in my tank is now open and looks awesome with perfect buklbs on its arms.......rotted i am.
im gonna do a full blown water test but i doubt ill see anything there and another small water change and im gonna hold off on adding anything to the tank like food or dosings untill i can figure out what happend. dont suppose the zombies got to it lol?? 
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07-09-2011, 06:37 PM
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man something weird is going on so i had thought my feather duster just wasnt coming out but turns out its head has been severed clean off the tube or has disconnected its self when it died???? like how does that even happen at the first sign of trouble it shoots back in was it that bad what ever happened it decided to die and lose its head??? oh my back to the investigation
add a feather duster to the list of casualtiesso far now ive lost : coral banded shrimp lawnmower blenny some snails all sps sinularia feather duster things that look bad and i dont give another day are: : brain elegance gorgs(are losing flesh) zoas things that look great are my nem's,hardy fish and the colony of palys
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07-09-2011, 06:58 PM
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Man thats harsh. I wonder if something could have gotten on the rock with the new palys, somewhere between taking them out of the old tank and putting them in yours. I can't really suggest anything other than w/c and carbon, which you're already doing. May be a large 80% w/c. Might buy you some time until you figure out the problem.
Oh and I had a feather duster vacate on me back when I first started poisoning fish and coral ( I couldn't keep anything alive for the first 6 months or so). I remember reading they will do this sometimes when things aren't going well. The idea is to bail out of the tube and let the current take them to greener pastures. Last edited by Money pit; 07-09-2011 at 07:06 PM.
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07-09-2011, 07:12 PM
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thats the only thing i can figure is some sort of bacteria has found its way to my tank on the paly rock i got, im reading all i can on it now i dont think its brown jelly as its affecting more than lps and theres no signs of any slime besides what i seen last night from the palys, plus its obviously affecting fish and inverts too..... and even now while im looking at my tank im noticing my clown and chromis are hiding and only come out when they see me prob thinking its feeding time but when im hidden they hide too. ive decided to take a turkey baster and suck off around each coral and see if it helps by removing something i cant see. i really was hoping the water change this morning would have helped but it doesnt look like it. sooooo......ive been doing this for a long time and ive never seen something so weird like this happen to my own tank as i pay close attention to what happens in there.....so now im thinking dips is there anything i can dip my remaining corals in that would kill off any bacteria i cant see if it is bacteria or something similar but wont do any harm if it isnt??? im doing a bunch of water tests now and ill do another water change again i still find it weird that my nems are looking better than ever and those palys are out full open while the rest of my zoas are closed shut.....
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07-09-2011, 07:48 PM
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Can we see a picture of the Palys?
If I remember correctly this is a little tank? Isn't it like 20 gallons? I would guess ANY coral the size of a football sliming in a tank that size is going to cause trouble. That's a lot of slime! I've had a ton of zoos and Palys and have fragged a few  and I can't say I have ever had any of them slime enough that I could notice.
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