Angel fish and disease - Page 2

my2rotties · #11 03-03-2009, 06:05 PM

You are right. I guess I felt I had things right since all my rock is from older well established tanks. All from shut downs that were at least two years old or so... I really did my best to ensure the system was well aged quickly and my bad. I had never kept angels prior to this point and now I know better. Never again. My tank sat cycling for more then two months prior to adding livestock as well... I thought I was going to be okay.

I feel like a complete failure but had to come out and ask about the losses. I knew I would get hard facts but I have to come out and be straight with these things since hiding from the truth does nothing to help me with the hobby. All my fish I had prior to this tank and fish from shut downs are thriving. These two were store bought and did not make it... I thought we were good after more then two months of tank life. Perhaps newly caught fish just cannot be as forgiving and I failed them.

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Originally Posted by Leah

I think Angels are not meant to be kept in aquariums so I think the idea is to provide
the best chance for their survival. I know if you J&L's web page and look up angel's
they have rated the care they need. And how they acclimate to aquarium life. They
range from medium to hard it is a good quide. So's you take your chance. But I think
they really mean a well established tank. Aged if you will. They also have special food
requirments. That may or may not be met. If I were looking for a specific type of angel
I would read up first then buy. Oh I think you have got it wrong not the system just
good old aging. Which is time and more time.

christyf5 · #12 03-03-2009, 06:10 PM

I wouldn't necessarily say "never again" just not necessarily now. There is a huge difference between having the correct stable parameters on a newer tank and an older mature established tank. IMO, its not just about the parameters you can measure.

As for seeing gill flukes on your frozen fish, get out your magnifying glass. They're fairly tiny and delicate and after being frozen and thawed they may just melt away into oblivion.

Leah · #13 03-03-2009, 06:26 PM

I know it is really tough to learn the hard way. I am sorry if I am leaving out words, just
noticed I sound drunk. I just have a headache. Anyhow it is good to ask a lot of questions it is how we learn. And I bet half the people on here would not be brave
enough to post that info. Even the bad stuff help's others. When it happens to someone
else we now know not to try it. Maybe someday you will try again.
No matter what we are we are our own worst enemy. We still think we can control the
universe. Man

my2rotties · #14 03-03-2009, 06:55 PM

I can hide form these issues all I want but it won't make things better in the long run. I have a flame suit and put it on when I need to do so. Usually things say hard to keep due to eating issues and such. Mine are all PIGS...

I guess I felt that is my params were kept stable, water quality was exceptional, and the fish were eating, had places to hide as well as space to swim they would be just fine. I also thought if I had super upgraded equipment and well established live rock and more then what is needed, I would be okay too. I have cheato (stay tuned for my next stupid question of the day on that

) and nothing goes out of whack ever... My corals are growing and my tank is thriving...

I hate losing fish, I HATE IT!!! These deaths were not pretty and they came on so suddenly. I have been home a lot these days due to lack of work for me, and have ample time to watch everybody...

I just wish I had a concise prognosis to learn from aside of a new tank. I can accept that but it really gives me no real answers that are carved in stone. I have had no tank crashes (knock on wood) or params ever going out of whack. The tank is peaceful and happy and I just don't understand what is happening that I can fix.

Patience is a virtue that I am quickly learning. I have had luck on my side for params and water quality but my luck ran out.

my2rotties · #15 03-03-2009, 06:58 PM

I didn't notice you sounded drunk... I'm surprised I have not hit the rum over my fish... but it's too early in the day. Maybe later. Thanks for being so nice since some people can be a tough bunch. I did my research on these fish but felt I was okay. After my puffer I do my home work, and try to find out as much as I can. I never find diseases fish are susceptible to or things that seem to apply to me.

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Originally Posted by Leah

I know it is really tough to learn the hard way. I am sorry if I am leaving out words, just
noticed I sound drunk. I just have a headache. Anyhow it is good to ask a lot of questions it is how we learn. And I bet half the people on here would not be brave
enough to post that info. Even the bad stuff help's others. When it happens to someone
else we now know not to try it. Maybe someday you will try again.
No matter what we are we are our own worst enemy. We still think we can control the
universe. Man

fishoholic · #16 03-04-2009, 02:54 AM

Seems more like a disease to me then it being caused from a newish tank. I'm not very well versed in fish disease so unfortunately I couldn't tell you what type of disease but if I come across anything I'll let you know.

my2rotties · #17 03-04-2009, 03:22 AM

Well lets hope you never come across it in any way at all. You are the queen of angel fish... You need to tell me what you have been doing to be so successful.

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Originally Posted by fishoholic

Seems more like a disease to me then it being caused from a newish tank. I'm not very well versed in fish disease so unfortunately I couldn't tell you what type of disease but if I come across anything I'll let you know.

Trigger Man · #18 03-04-2009, 05:30 AM

When your angels swam did you ever see them kinda 'twitch' every once in a while, typically head shift left to right or vice versa real quickly for a second or two and then all was good. If so this could be a sign of Flukes. Some have found freshwater dips to help kill some of the flukes, but it is a desease being seen more and more just recently, so from what I know there is currently no 'for sure' cure. The one mentioned in a earlier response in this treat is also said to work. In most cases however the gill areas would be red or inflamed and the death tends to occur quickly. As for cyanide from what I have gathered the death just occurs suddenly with no apparent symptoms. With the bruising and lesions I would think parasites were burying either into the skin or trying to get out of the skin of the fish.

my2rotties · #19 03-04-2009, 03:26 PM

Now that you mention this, yes my Emp did do this, but it is such a small thing you don't even think about it. My Majestic did not display the head shaking, and I was told the shaking and twitching was signs of cyanide at both of the LFS I spoke with.

I did some reading on freshwater dips but am scared to death to try it for fear of doing something wrong. I find it very odd that only my angels are displaying this illness and everyone else is fine. I have a queen angel baby and want to get him out and treat him ASAP. He seems fine but they are always fine until they are not.

Off to have a panic attack now. My biggest worry was always ich or my params... I never even thought of something like this since nobody ever talks about it. I did a search yesterday and there was not much info to be had.

Anything else aside of freshwater dips to treat my fish if this comes up ever again?

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Originally Posted by Trigger Man

When your angels swam did you ever see them kinda 'twitch' every once in a while, typically head shift left to right or vice versa real quickly for a second or two and then all was good. If so this could be a sign of Flukes. Some have found freshwater dips to help kill some of the flukes, but it is a desease being seen more and more just recently, so from what I know there is currently no 'for sure' cure. The one mentioned in a earlier response in this treat is also said to work. In most cases however the gill areas would be red or inflamed and the death tends to occur quickly. As for cyanide from what I have gathered the death just occurs suddenly with no apparent symptoms. With the bruising and lesions I would think parasites were burying either into the skin or trying to get out of the skin of the fish.

fishoholic · #20 03-04-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by my2rotties

Well lets hope you never come across it in any way at all. You are the queen of angel fish... You need to tell me what you have been doing to be so successful.

My Queen and Blueface were bought off of another canreef member and both were very healthy to begin with. I got my emperor and my blue ring from a lfs and both were eating and seemed healthy before I bought them. However my black velvet angel died within a week after purchase, seemed healthy at the store but I couldn't get it to eat in my tank.