Clownfish problem

[jay2x]

Originally Posted by Kraken

If your clownfish is looking that bad, most treatments will not be effective.

Pumping garlic will do nothing as it has no effect on ich . The only use for garlic is an appetite stimulant.

In my experience, the only effective treatment for ich that you can easily get your hands on is copper.

I bring in tons of clowns and have battled ich almost every shipment (mainly from tangs) and if the body is covered as bad as your clownfish, I rarely can save it.

All aquariums have ich, and its normal to get a few cysts on your fish once in awhile. If a fish is healthy and eating well, then it's own immune response will typically fight it off.

The main cause of ich overunning your tank is if a fish is stressed out and it takes over that fish. When a huge population of ich has formed on a single fish, its basically a breeding ground for it and thats how it "spreads and kills" all your other fish. Its the sudden increase in the ich population in your tank that will wipe out all the fish.

What I suggest you do is take the clown out and quarantine it with copper. If you do not have a quarantine, then I would put it out of it's misery before the cysts spread to your other fish.

I shouldve started this garlic before doing crap like cupramine and doing a qt. Xtreme garlic worked well.

after the death of my clowns, I was so devasted that I bought a set of livestock. Lol! This time I both pajama cardinal fish. I have two in my system. And it happened again white spot came and started filling up the their bodies. I was wanted to try the cheapest way is garlic xtreme. It worked well. A few days I thought it was going to be another lost. But by day 4 spots dissipated.

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they are now eating healthy.



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[toytech]

Not to sound rude ,but if you had just been patient and gone fishless for the recommended amount of time your new fish wouldent be sick now . Ich has different stages ,the spots disappear and return at different stages of its life your fish might not be out of the woods yet.

[Kraken]

Originally Posted by toytech

Not to sound rude ,but if you had just been patient and gone fishless for the recommended amount of time your new fish wouldent be sick now . Ich has different stages ,the spots disappear and return at different stages of its life your fish might not be out of the woods yet.

^ is correct. Garlic only acts as an appetite stimulator...It has no effect on the ich itself. Normally speaking, a fish that is healthy can fight off ich on its own which is why I say its normal to have a few spots of ich on fish once in awhile. Its when they overtake the fish (while the fish is stressed) that you should remove the infected or quarantine.

If your Pj's survive, then that just means your fish was able to fight off the ich through its own immune system.

[Madreefer]

Originally Posted by Kraken

^ is correct. Garlic only acts as an appetite stimulator...It has no effect on the ich

I totally disagree. That's all I have ever used for ich and it has worked great every time. In my tank as well as others. My fish get garlic every meal

[Reef Pilot]

Originally Posted by Madreefer

I totally disagree. That's all I have ever used for ich and it has worked great every time. In my tank as well as others. My fish get garlic every meal

Just curious, what garlic do you use and how exactly do you prepare the food before feeding? I have tried soaking food in various garlic liquid products in the past, and my "finicky" eaters wouldn't touch it. Same goes with Selcon. They eat the food normally, but not when I soak it with something else. I know,... sounds strange,... especially when I keep reading how much fish are supposed to love garlic.

As for ich, I QT all my fish, and that is the only sure way that has ever worked for me. In the past I have had ich in my DT, and as others have stated, the healthy fish can usually fight it off.

But one time I put a fish through QT with just observing it for a while (no hypo or copper). Then after a few weeks in my DT I had a serious ich outbreak, and lost a couple of my healthy longer term residents. So it seems this fish was a carrier of a more virulent form of ich. Ironically, the new fish never did show any symptoms and was just fine the whole time. Maybe he had already gone through the immune phase with that strain of ich...

[Madreefer]

Originally Posted by Reef Pilot

Just curious, what garlic do you use and how exactly do you prepare the food before feeding? I have tried soaking food in various garlic liquid products in the past, and my "finicky" eaters wouldn't touch it. Same goes with Selcon. They eat the food normally, but not when I soak it with something else. I know,... sounds strange,... especially when I keep reading how much fish are supposed to love garlic.

I used to use Kent Garlic Extreme and my last batch of food I made I used SeaChem Garlic Guard. I only feed homemade frozen food and it's added with the recipe. I've also just put a couple of drops on the food as it's thawing out in the past.

[Reef Pilot]

Originally Posted by Madreefer

I used to use Kent Garlic Extreme and my last batch of food I made I used SeaChem Garlic Guard. I only feed homemade frozen food and it's added with the recipe. I've also just put a couple of drops on the food as it's thawing out in the past.

I tried the Kent Garlic Extreme, and it didn't work for me. But sounds like your fish get it all the time, and are trained on it. Some of my fish (the butterflys) are so finicky, that they only eat one type of pellet food or mysis. When I changed brands, they wouldn't eat it. And ironically, the pellet food that they do eat does contain added garlic.

I think some fish get very used to certain foods,... and don't like to change... That's why I try to feed a variety of different foods right from the beginning.