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|  opinions on submerge pump Hi, I like to ask opinion on submerge pump choice. Which do you like, a Mag12 or the new Quiet One 4000 HH submerge pump. I used the old style Quiet One previously and very happy with it. This is for return back to main tank 92 gallon. Thanks Regards Ken | 
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|   I researched several pumps before going with a Mag 12 and I am happy with my choice. The four choices for submersible pump I looked into were: Mag 12 Quiet One Eheim 1264 Ocean Runner ?6000 or 6500 I forget The Eheim was the best choice as it is the quietest and most reliable. Unfortunately it is not available and out of production. The Quiet Ones (new style) had a lot of comments about reliability problems and noise when I searched on various forums. I was going to buy one of these but after searching a while I decided to steer clear of them. The Ocean Runner seemed like a good choice but there did not seem to be as many people using these pumps as the Mags, therefore I did not feel as confident buying one. My Mag 12 is almost silent and from what I have read they are very reliable, I am happy with this pump. | 
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|   Thanks. I was leaning towards the new style Quiet One, but I did hear similar stories that you mention, so I gladly appreciate your opinion. I would normally run an external pump for return but the situation is lack of cabinet space for one so I am force to use a  in sump pump. The Mag sounds good.  Regards Ken | 
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|   I've been running a couple of Ocean Runners steady for about 4 years now. Well, o.k., I had to unplug them a couple of times when I moved.... I can vouch for their reliability. Great pumps. Mitch | 
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|   Mag 12 will work great for a return. Parts are cheap (impellers and covers) and they seem to last forever. I use one on my 120g. |