Buying coral and fish from USA

[hillegom]

Here is an overview

http://www.livestockusa.org/CITES.html

[Insguy]

It depends on the location. I have crossed the boarder many times with coral, inverts and fish. Depending on the crossing they all want different things. I have not been asked for a cites certificate, it is only required when they suspect smuggling, CITES are for protected species. The most that they have asked for is a receipt, location harvested and the species. I have had suppliers out of Florida send me a NAFTA certificate of Origin.

From what I know there are three reasons why they would disallow your purchase. Those would be along the lines of smuggling, quarantine or improper paper work.

Understand that I have everything cross a boarder that is very small where things are more relaxed. I also cross frequently and know the boarder agents by first name.

[Bayside Corals]

Originally Posted by Insguy

It depends on the location. I have crossed the boarder many times with coral, inverts and fish. Depending on the crossing they all want different things. I have not been asked for a cites certificate, it is only required when they suspect smuggling, CITES are for protected species. The most that they have asked for is a receipt, location harvested and the species. I have had suppliers out of Florida send me a NAFTA certificate of Origin.

From what I know there are three reasons why they would disallow your purchase. Those would be along the lines of smuggling, quarantine or improper paper work.

Understand that I have everything cross a boarder that is very small where things are more relaxed. I also cross frequently and know the boarder agents by first name.

You are very luck because it is a fact that you need a cites permit to bring any hard corals, live rock, seahorses etc. If you know the boarder guards buy first name and they let you bring it across, kudos for you. But that is not the norm.

Also corals are protected hence why you need the cities permit to bring them across the boarder.

[asylumdown]

Originally Posted by Colby Bay

You are very luck because it is a fact that you need a cites permit to bring any hard corals, live rock, seahorses etc. If you know the boarder guards buy first name and they let you bring it across, kudos for you. But that is not the norm.

Also corals are protected hence why you need the cities permit to bring them across the boarder.

+1. The difference between coral smuggling and legal coral purchasing is quite literally a piece of paper. Doesn't matter if the coral is perfectly legal to own in both Canada and the US, its threatened status in the wild, or whether or not it was aquacultured in your aunt's grow out tanks in Buffalo. If you get busted bringing something across without the proper documentation for that species, you are by definition smuggling it.

[imisky]

I have people I know that work in CBSA, if they know you to that friendly of a level they should not be serving you.

In most cases if you see a CBSA that you know they are supposed to step away and let someone else that has no connection with you deal with you.

Its harsh for me to say this but its not luck in that case but to a certain degree smuggling, as you are leveraging the friendship of you and the CBSA to let you bring CITES corals/fish into Canada without proper paperworks. NAFTA doesnt cover for corals. NAFTA is for hardware/goods/software developed and manufactured in the US and Canada.

[paddyob]

No offense meant, overall, but it's pretty unwise to take things over the boarder as you claim. And honestly, very stupid to post it in a public forum that you did.

One phone call and your uneditable post can haunt you forever.

Always baffled me to see people brag about it.


Again, if all it needed was a receipt, cross boarder shipping would be easy.

*picks up the phone to fish and wild life*

Originally Posted by Insguy

It depends on the location. I have crossed the boarder many times with coral, inverts and fish. Depending on the crossing they all want different things. I have not been asked for a cites certificate, it is only required when they suspect smuggling, CITES are for protected species. The most that they have asked for is a receipt, location harvested and the species. I have had suppliers out of Florida send me a NAFTA certificate of Origin.

From what I know there are three reasons why they would disallow your purchase. Those would be along the lines of smuggling, quarantine or improper paper work.

Understand that I have everything cross a boarder that is very small where things are more relaxed. I also cross frequently and know the boarder agents by first name.

[ferret]

I had experienced a few times for purchasing macro algae only from US without any corals and fish just tropical seaweeds without problem. When crossing the border and showed the receipt including the types/names of the marine plants and of course the plants were free from attaching to any LR or substrates and in small quantities and proving that was not for commercial purposes.