anybody using the jebao wp 40 or 25's

[asylumdown]

Originally Posted by Reef Supplies

As a business owner I would not go near those pumps until this whole Tunze ordeal is over. I respect the Tunze brand to much to monetize from an obvious copy.

Ray

TO be fair, there's only so many ways a pump can look. In this case I would agree with you that it is a pretty obvious copy, even their branding is an obvious trademark rip off - but that said, Tunze's pumps are a form that follows function, and there's a limited number of forms that can achieve said function, so it's not surprising that a 'knock off' would look similar.

If Behr was the first company to ever release a blue paint, would that somehow give them a universal, life-long right to blue paints?

As someone who wants high caliber products I try to be loyal to companies that make them, but as a consumer with finite resources, I REALLY don't like it when I find someone producing a nearly identical product and selling it at a fraction of the cost while still remaining profitable. It makes me feel like the company that I've been loyal to has been ripping me off.

arguments about quality control and where the components came from aside, a tunze and a jebao both move a certain amount of water, and come with similar features and controllability. If the the only thing that sets Tunze apart from Jebao in the long-run is that it's got a fancy brand name, I think they're going to be in trouble and need to start innovating a little more aggressively as I'm sure Jebao will eventually have every feature one could want from a water pump and still be considerably less expensive. If your product costs several times more than your competitors, I really do feel like there should be a good and tangible justification, and China-phobia isn't one of them.

[Magma]

I have to throw my $0.02 into this.

I have the Evergrow D120 units, 3 them actually and I LOVE them my corals are happy and noticeable growth within only a few months of use. Yes they are made from China but you know what im happy with them. Not to mention all 3 units cost me less (Shipped to my door) then 1 radion unit...

I just purchased a WP40 from www.reefsupplycanada.com from the group buy im sure its going to be exactly what I want. Every review I have ever seen on them gives them praise for being so well built.

My question is why do all the "Old Timers" need to make us newbie reef junkies feel like we need to go bankrupt to have a tank? Just because that was the norm 10 years ago? 20 years ago? Times have changed and the so have the cost to make products for keeping fish. I cant even count on my hands the amount of times I have seen posts or talked to people about which product would be better and someone with 10 years in the hobby has to chime and say "Only use this product because its what I use!" and the price is double or triple of other brands. It really hits a cord with me when people think price is the only thing that matters.

Im going to use the wp40 on my tank and plan to until it stops working if thats a year or two who knows but im still further ahead trying it rather than letting the rumor mill explode with false info.

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by Magma

My question is why do all the "Old Timers" need to make us newbie reef junkies feel like we need to go bankrupt to have a tank?

I guess I'm probably an "old timer", although I wouldn't suggest not buying these. While I love my Tunze pumps, I'll probably buy a couple of these.

[mrhasan]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

I guess I'm probably an "old timer", although I wouldn't suggest not buying these. While I love my Tunze pumps, I'll probably buy a couple of these.

I think the term should have been "brand lovers". I find "old timers" to be more practical in choosing things that "works" instead of just relying on the imprinted names.

[Magma]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

I guess I'm probably an "old timer", although I wouldn't suggest not buying these. While I love my Tunze pumps, I'll probably buy a couple of these.

Ok maybe Old timer is the wrong choice. Brand Junkie? Im just sick if reading numerous forums (not just canreef) where people who have been in the hobby for a long time, provide information to newbies such as "You should only use Radion LED's because thats what I use and if you cant use those then nothing else will do"

Or even people reading other threads saying this "letter" is now legal action when its all just rumors floating around forums which have been twisted through the power of the internet into this big problem which its really not. But again because these people wont buy a cheaper product because they have to have the brand name. Then they end up projecting there own feelings onto it and twist it even further for the next guy to read even more false information.

Again just my $0.02

[Zoaelite]

Originally Posted by Magma

Ok maybe Old timer is the wrong choice. Brand Junkie? Im just sick if reading numerous forums (not just canreef) where people who have been in the hobby for a long time, provide information to newbies such as "You should only use Radion LED's because thats what I use and if you cant use those then nothing else will do"

Or even people reading other threads saying this "letter" is now legal action when its all just rumors floating around forums which have been twisted through the power of the internet into this big problem which its really not. But again because these people wont buy a cheaper product because they have to have the brand name. Then they end up projecting there own feelings onto it and twist it even further for the next guy to read even more false information.

Again just my $0.02

Welcome to the internet.

A wise man once shared this with me, it seems the time pass it on.

[reefwars]

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2296964




interesting indeed:P

[nrosdal]

Originally Posted by reefwars

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2296964




interesting indeed:P

The ones they have there are just 220volts. There may be some coming available that run on 110v in about a months time

[mrhasan]

Originally Posted by reefwars

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2296964




interesting indeed:P

Something from China cannot be ripped off by another Chinese company. So its original

Hint: Apple products come from China. Other generic companies in China reproduces exactly same apple product ripoffs and don't get sued. But when Samsung make a square with round edge phone, they get sued

[daniella3d]

I have a wp25 and all I can say is WoW!!! very quiet compared to the mp pumps I have heard, and one third of the price.

They seem well built and I don't see anything that could lead me to beleive they are cheaply built.

I have a Tunze 6045 and the darn thing suck big time. First it is very hard to remove the cap and each time I must use a screwdriver or a knife and I dammage it a little bit each time. Now with the Jebao, all you need to do is turn a bit to unscrew! no more hard time to remove the pump cover! PLUS, the wp25 is A LOT MORE powerful than my Tunze and to top it, it is controllable. And last but not least, that darn tunze gadget to adjust the flow keep jamming so the gimmiky finniky gadget that is supposed to lower the flow it totally USELESS. Now I paid 93$ for that Tunze pump, a total waste of money.

I feel the opposite about the Jebao wp25, powerfull, silent, very nice gentle flow, very easy to remove the cover for cleaning, and controllable!!! with its own controller or with the Reef Angel controller. I already have the cable to control it...awesome!

Geeezzzz...tough choice..no more Tunze gimmik for me.