New sump design...........hit me with some input

kien · #1 04-03-2013, 05:21 AM

I have no idea what any of that means.

How about an explanation for simpletons like myself?

HaZRaTTy · #2 04-03-2013, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kien

I have no idea what any of that means.

How about an explanation for simpletons like myself?

Water flows in, water flows out?

Curious why you have 2 return chambers?

The Grizz · #3 04-03-2013, 05:33 AM

Quick answer for tonight on the 2 return chambers. Going to be running 2 - DC10000 return pumps with OM 4ways on each to a total of 8 return lines threw the back of my new tank.

Myka · #4 04-03-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Grizz

Quick answer for tonight on the 2 return chambers. Going to be running 2 - DC10000 return pumps with OM 4ways on each to a total of 8 return lines threw the back of my new tank.

How big is the display? I like OM on closed loop rather than return line. I would have one return chamber and both pumps in there. Have the sump flow one direction. Returns go straight to tank with maybe a couple splitters so you have 4 nozzles going into tank (depending on size of display). Then make closed loop to run the 8 OM outputs.

Eight 4" filter socks? I would rather use four 7" filter socks. I hate 4" filter socks.

kien · #5 04-03-2013, 05:37 AM

Thanks for clearing that up! I was confused/mesmerized by all those chambers.

Speaking of chambers, I am against integrated dosing chambers :-). I frequently clean the crud out of my jugs by rinsing them in the sink. Can't imagine what a pain it would be to try and clean out integrated ones in your sump. I suppose you could just live with any residue and not bother to clean them.

gregzz4 · #6 04-03-2013, 06:25 AM

Likin' either design

What about incorporating your heater(s) into one of the bubble traps to save space

Mine are in a wasted bubble trap, are always wet no matter what the return pump is doing, and are not fully submerged so hopefully they'll last longer (not fill up with water over time)

Same idea as what you are planning;
Drain to whatever chamber that overflows through the socks, then have the heaters in the next (upflow) chamber and voila, heaters are always wet, easy to remove and keeps the tops dry

Hopefully your sump is deep enough for your heaters to stand up straight

I ended up re-designing my sump (last pic), but thought these first pics would be good for a visual

This is where I changed the design and added the socks before the heaters
The last baffle is hidden by the center brace

gregzz4 · #7 04-03-2013, 06:32 AM

I see there is some concern about your sock tray height ...

I have 3 x 4" socks (only equals 1 x 7") in my sump and run an Eheim 1262
My sock tray is about 1/2" below the lip of my trim, and when the mesh socks plugged up, water flowed over the baffle (1/4" below the trim) without ever going near the trim

I also don't have the water dropping into the socks, but rather just flowing through them
My socks are fully submerged and have never shifted

I don't see an issue with your sock trays being anywhere you want them

reefme · #8 04-03-2013, 10:47 AM

Water levels for two return pumps will not be the same.

paddyob · #9 04-03-2013, 12:18 PM

I say drop a baffle from each bubble trap. Over kill. More sump space.

zum14 · #10 04-03-2013, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gregzz4

I see there is some concern about your sock tray height ...

I have 3 x 4" socks (only equals 1 x 7") in my sump and run an Eheim 1262
My sock tray is about 1/2" below the lip of my trim, and when the mesh socks plugged up, water flowed over the baffle (1/4" below the trim) without ever going near the trim

I also don't have the water dropping into the socks, but rather just flowing through them
My socks are fully submerged and have never shifted

I don't see an issue with your sock trays being anywhere you want them

Interesting. I had mine in a fairly tight holder but they still shifted. He will be running about 3 times as much flow as a 1262 too. Just something to ponder. I do agree your way would be quieter. I guess if you plan for the difference in water height it would work. Pm me if you have a pic. I'd be interested in seeing a side view of this in action if you ever get one. I hate to admit it but the behind the scene stuff is almost as exciting as the tank itself for me. Hmm I never considered the ato if the chambers don't stay constant and balanced. If you had a way of keeping the return chambers connected to each other so there's essentially a balance pipe I guess that would keep everything even and still allow you to have 2 return chambers for ease of plumbing. I agree OM's get tight fast.