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[sphelps]

Originally Posted by Jamieh

Imagine there being a problem with wild caught fish so a petition is put out that keeping any fish be banned in the City of Calgary. Is it better to sign this petition or do nothing. I would suggest in regards to such a petition the answer is to do nothing with the petition and send your Councillor some better suggestions.

mmmmm slightly different I think but if an obvious problem came up relating to wild caught fish causing a problem like overpopulation or even ocean depletion and a petition was issued to not ban all wild caught fish but introduce some better regulation then yeah I'd sign. The petition in question by no means has the goal to completely bans puppies. It's major goal is to prevent BYB and online sales from such. Pet stores will do just fine working with rescues and reputable breeders, most probably do already.

[Jamieh]

The petition we are discussing from a few pages back states "Enact a Municipal bylaw prohibiting the sale of companion animals(ie dogs and cats) on all public and commercial properties" How that is not stopping reputable Pet Stores is beyond me.

Originally Posted by sphelps

mmmmm slightly different I think but if an obvious problem came up relating to wild caught fish causing a problem like overpopulation or even ocean depletion and a petition was issued to not ban all wild caught fish but introduce some better regulation then yeah I'd sign. The petition in question by no means has the goal to completely bans puppies. It's major goal is to prevent BYB and online sales from such. Pet stores will do just fine working with rescues and reputable breeders, most probably do already.

[sphelps]

Originally Posted by Jamieh

The petition we are discussing from a few pages back states "Enact a Municipal bylaw prohibiting the sale of companion animals(ie dogs and cats) on all public and commercial properties" How that is not stopping reputable Pet Stores is beyond me.

Simple:

Exemptions to the by-law shall include adoption events that are approved by the Mayor or that are sponsored by or located on the property of an approved rescue group or rescue individual.

No reason an "adoption event" can't be on going. A pet store will likely be able to get permanent exemption by continuously working with rescue organizations. Further down the road I would expect to see better regulation on breeders which will also allow pet stores to work with breeders as well.

[Jamieh]

You really believe the goal would be better regulation and would have an exemtion for Pet Stores? Come on already. A more realistic goal of this campaign would be to increase the ban on pets other than dogs and cats which could eventually lead to this industry.

Originally Posted by sphelps

Simple:

No reason an "adoption event" can't be on going. A pet store will likely be able to get permanent exemption by continuously working with rescue organizations. Further down the road I would expect to see better regulation on breeders which will also allow pet stores to work with breeders as well.

[sphelps]

Originally Posted by Jamieh

You really believe the goal would be better regulation and would have an exemtion for Pet Stores? Come on already. A more realistic goal of this campaign would be to increase the ban on pets other than dogs and cats which could eventually lead to this industry.

Yeap! The goal is clearly to prevent BYB and overpopulation not put pet stores out of business.

[Jamieh]

Then why not put that right there in the petition and leave out the commercial business part and I would bet that most people in the Pet Industry would be right behind you. And forget the ban part, put in restrictions and guidelines which reputatable Pet Stores already follow.

Originally Posted by sphelps

Yeap! The goal is clearly to prevent BYB and overpopulation not put pet stores out of business.

[sphelps]

Originally Posted by Jamieh

Then why not put that right there in the petition and leave out the commercial business part and I would bet that most people in the Pet Industry would be right behind you. And forget the ban part, put in restrictions and guidelines which reputatable Pet Stores already follow.

Ideally this is obviously better but not the case. Ideally I should be able to drive my car 10X as fast as a fully loaded semi on the highway but perfection doesn't exist in this world. Nothing will favor every individual 100% and trying to do so results in too much grey zone making it virtually useless. I guess making things black and white is easier to manage and enforce producing better results. I've gotten use to this and tend to look for the greater good, don't always agree with the approach but if the results are sound I'm usually OK with it.

[saltcreep]

Originally Posted by sphelps

mmmmm slightly different I think but if an obvious problem came up relating to wild caught fish causing a problem like overpopulation or even ocean depletion and a petition was issued to not ban all wild caught fish but introduce some better regulation then yeah I'd sign.

There is no difference. It's a ban.

BTW...there is a problem with ocean depletion and habitat degredation with the collection of some ornamentals.

[sphelps]

Originally Posted by saltcreep

There is no difference. It's a ban.

BTW...there is a problem with ocean depletion and habitat degredation with the collection of some ornamentals.

Not really... Will you still be able to get a dog?

And yes but there are regulations all ready in place, you can't just go to the ocean and start harvesting and selling livestock, not legally anyway.

[saltcreep]

Originally Posted by sphelps

Not really... Will you still be able to get a dog?

Which is why I keep asking what will this do? What is the percentage of dog sales via pet retail stores? Why punish the reputable store owners?

Originally Posted by sphelps

And yes but there are regulations all ready in place, you can't just go to the ocean and start harvesting and selling livestock, not legally anyway.

What's your point? What regulations are you referring to? I don't think I need to remind you that the animals in our hobby don't come from our ocean.

I'd also be interested to know who sits on the board of this organization that is proposing this bylaw.