Would you want to owna product from a company that does buisness like this?

[Slick Fork]

For the Ipad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4

Apple's marketing is second to none, period. I think that's where Apple's true genius is. Even in the article you posted Ron, it's tough to disagree with some of the critics. I'll use the iPhone as an example. The first ones were a great idea but poorly implemented. My friend had an original iphone and my $50 LG had a camera while his multi-hundred dollar Iphone didn't his reception was terrible (mine still is). Apple lover's would call it an idea that came before it's time, I'd call it an unpolished product released before it was properly thought out. I've got the 3GS and absolutely love it, and while it's definately an improvement over the previous models, they are not revolutionary leaps forward every time.

Imac's are another good example. They are a nice computer, with a nice user interface. BUT they are no more reliable, or better performing then my PC running windows 7. Apple can charge a premium because
1) they focus their marketing against legacy windows systems like 98SE, 2000, NT, and XP.

and 2) Even I'll admit that the whole package LOOKS really sexy sitting on a desk.
Since the Ipad is featuring in this discussion, and I don't mean to pick on you exclusively Ron, but you like to talk about all the things that the Ipad COULD be and you paint a very pretty picture, it would be nice if the Ipad WAS all those things, but I'm still left with the fact that it ISN'T any of those things you think it MIGHT be one day.

And it's not really about hating Apple or their products, it's the constant rhetoric, negative and misleading advertising that I'm tired of.

[Ron99]

Originally Posted by Slick Fork

For the Ipad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4

Apple's marketing is second to none, period. I think that's where Apple's true genius is. Even in the article you posted Ron, it's tough to disagree with some of the critics. I'll use the iPhone as an example. The first ones were a great idea but poorly implemented. My friend had an original iphone and my $50 LG had a camera while his multi-hundred dollar Iphone didn't his reception was terrible (mine still is). Apple lover's would call it an idea that came before it's time, I'd call it an unpolished product released before it was properly thought out. I've got the 3GS and absolutely love it, and while it's definately an improvement over the previous models, they are not revolutionary leaps forward every time.

Imac's are another good example. They are a nice computer, with a nice user interface. BUT they are no more reliable, or better performing then my PC running windows 7. Apple can charge a premium because
1) they focus their marketing against legacy windows systems like 98SE, 2000, NT, and XP.

and 2) Even I'll admit that the whole package LOOKS really sexy sitting on a desk.
Since the Ipad is featuring in this discussion, and I don't mean to pick on you exclusively Ron, but you like to talk about all the things that the Ipad COULD be and you paint a very pretty picture, it would be nice if the Ipad WAS all those things, but I'm still left with the fact that it ISN'T any of those things you think it MIGHT be one day.

And it's not really about hating Apple or their products, it's the constant rhetoric, negative and misleading advertising that I'm tired of.

uuhhhhm, my 1st generation iPhone has a camera. Maybe your friend's is a bootleg chinese copy

The whole Mac vs. PC argument is kind of pointless as some will always prefer one over the other. But the reality is that for the average user wanting something they can pull out of the box, plug in and use Macs are better. And they are more stable and have less problems (maybe the margin has closed up now with Windows 7 but time will tell) and you don't have to worry about tons of viruses and malware. That's a fact. Here's another interesting article:

http://www.cio.com/article/569163/Ar...nomyId=3081%22

As for the iPad, my ideas are not flights of fantasy or wild conjetcture and I am sure you will see them shortly. Plenty of great apps that take advantage of the iPads speed and larger screen will come out to show off the potential. Let's talk again in a year and see what happens

BTW, those various Hitler videos are pretty funny. Here's another that shows how evil Apple is in its app approval process:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WB7p...eature=related

[mr.wilson]

My first generation iphone has a camera as well. I had to jailbreak it to use it in Canada, so it has a third party video AP as well. That's something my Iphone 3G doesn't have. Other than 3G and processing speed, I can't think of any changes with the iphone. I prefer the original aluminum case over the current black plastic.

As for operating systems, kudos to Microsoft for creating Windows 7, but it took them long enough The new Hyundai may be as good as a Honda, but it isn't going to have Honda owners changing their buying habits overnight. I'm sure Windows 7 is as good or better than Snow Leopard, but it's only been on the market for 4 months, so you have to understand that the "Apple rhetoric" you are referring to is based on Microsoft's body of work over the past 25 years. I'm not a computer expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I wouldn't dream of expounding the virtues of an aquarium product (pump etc.) that I have only used for a few months.

[Slick Fork]

Originally Posted by Ron99

uuhhhhm, my 1st generation iPhone has a camera. Maybe your friend's is a bootleg chinese copy

The whole Mac vs. PC argument is kind of pointless as some will always prefer one over the other. But the reality is that for the average user wanting something they can pull out of the box, plug in and use Macs are better. And they are more stable and have less problems (maybe the margin has closed up now with Windows 7 but time will tell) and you don't have to worry about tons of viruses and malware. That's a fact. Here's another interesting article:

http://www.cio.com/article/569163/Ar...nomyId=3081%22

As for the iPad, my ideas are not flights of fantasy or wild conjetcture and I am sure you will see them shortly. Plenty of great apps that take advantage of the iPads speed and larger screen will come out to show off the potential. Let's talk again in a year and see what happens

BTW, those various Hitler videos are pretty funny. Here's another that shows how evil Apple is in its app approval process:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WB7p...eature=related

If they have camera's that's my bad then. I could've sworn he complained about not having a camera.

Not really wanting to call your ideas "flights of fancy, but they are possibilities and not reality at this time. I will be curious in a year to see how they do with it. But for now all it is is an Ipod Touch that you can't fit in your pocket.

@Mr. Wilson, Vista was rock solid for me as well but I don't want to kick over that ant hill again. My point was that it's ridiculous and really misleading to compare the most recent Snow Leopard with a 10 year old Microsoft OS. It'd be like Chevrolet comparing the Corvette to a Model T and saying Ford relys on 100 year old technology.

[fkshiu]

Originally Posted by Slick Fork

@Mr. Wilson, Vista was rock solid for me as well but I don't want to kick over that ant hill again. My point was that it's ridiculous and really misleading to compare the most recent Snow Leopard with a 10 year old Microsoft OS. It'd be like Chevrolet comparing the Corvette to a Model T and saying Ford relys on 100 year old technology.

Actually, a more apt comparison would be how GM, Ford and Chrysler built crappy cars throughout the 70s and 80s leaving a bad taste in consumers' mouths. As a result, they lost most of their customers to the Japanese. Similarly, consumers have had to live through numerous Windows issues for the last several decades. Along comes Apple to say "We're not PCs". Good marketing? Yes, of course. But it was Microsoft and PCs themselves that gave Apple the opportunity in the first place.

Now that Microsoft finally seems to have gotten its act together with Windows 7, consumers who switched to Apple or are on the fence are saying: "Prove it, since you've screwed me before."

[Ron99]

Just for a laugh, here's a take on Microsoft innovation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrr7...eature=related

[Ron99]

Looks like the iPad may do alright:

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/03/12/possi...rst-two-hours/

[pinhead]

While we're at it how about this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA

Check out the comment at 1:38