Indonesia - New Government Quota System To Preserve Coral Reefs

OceanicCorals-Ian- · #1 10-25-2009, 06:21 PM

This is great news that the Indonesia gov't is finally clamping down on their coral exports. I am astounded whenever I speak to the L.A. buyers as to how much coral they import weekly. The U.S. coral consumption is insane.

There will definitly be a rise in coral prices as the supply will begin to diminish significantly. I am already experiencing this as a lot of my wild coral qoutas are cut back this semester.

Guru · #2 10-25-2009, 08:31 PM

OceanicCorals-Ian- · #3 10-25-2009, 09:03 PM

Well that was truly unexpected.

I for one am pro aquaculture and that is why most of the corals you see that I sell are fragments and not whole colonies. As well the acroporas that I mainly sell are aquacultured in Indonesia and are from fellow hobbyists as well.

I can appreciate you lumping all retailers into the mix of coral reef exploitation, however without retailers selling corals the hobbyists would not have any brood stock to be trading amongst each other.

My response was not for promotional purposes; just my thoughts on the industry as a whole and how many corals that are being harvested on a weekly basis. I did not once offer anything for sale on this thread, just my opinion from somone that is involved in the industry. I suppose if any other vendor chimed in, they would be considered maliciously trying to promote their business in this thread.

The quantity of corals that I sell wild caught is very limited as I have explained. My CITES quotas are drastically reduced for this semester and I am not at all upset because I feel that it definitley is time to restrict the amount of corals being exported from Indo.

I don't feel shameful or even the least bashful as I primarily promote aquaculture and sustainability.

Thanks for your insight and I am sorry that you feel so negatively towards coral retailers.

:P

workn2hard2day · #4 10-26-2009, 12:00 AM

WOW, pot meet kettle. Retailers sell what consumers purchase. I did not post this article for people to bash others.

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Originally Posted by Guru

You know OceanicCorals you and all other retail stores are the cause of this. Shame on you.

globaldesigns · #5 10-26-2009, 01:05 AM

Oceanic, don't worry... I haven't personally bought from you, but without retailers where do most of us get our goods from. Yeah it is great to buy frags off fellow reefers, but at some point the retailer is involved.

I think it may be the responsibility of all to maybe know where their coral comes from... It is the choice of the consumer if they wish to buy agricultured or wild or both... I personally have both... But it is the responsibility of all (mankind) to take care of our earth, so I welcome any government intervention, as it is better now than when it is too late.

To all a good night.

fishytime · #6 10-26-2009, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

You know OceanicCorals you and all other retail stores are the cause of this.
However i do appreciate the government stepping in to stop it the bottom line is you are doing this to make money.
All the other real reefers here are doing it for a hobby and not concerned about earning money from corals.
If anything the hobbyist trading frags is doing more then the government is but limiting the export of corals in their region.

Im also certain that you probably only responded to this thread to help increase your sales.

Shame on you.

Excuse me???....how can you make a statement like this?..... Retailers are not the cause for the state of the worlds reefs......we the consumers/hobbyists are the cause for creating the market..... Retailers are simply responding to consumer demand.

So I suppose all those frags in the buy/sell forum are free?.... Guess Im not a "real" reefer, like you...

Borderjumper · #7 10-26-2009, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by fishytime

Excuse me???....how can you make a statement like this?..... Retailers are not the cause for the state of the worlds reefs......we the consumers/hobbyists are the cause for creating the market..... Retailers are simply responding to consumer demand.

So I suppose all those frags in the buy/sell forum are free?.... Guess Im not a "real" reefer, like you...

I couldnt agree more!

globaldesigns · #8 10-26-2009, 01:30 AM

FREE, FREE, WHERE???? Guru I will take some freebies... HEHE

+1 Fishytime, well said.

Oceanic · #9 10-26-2009, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru

You know OceanicCorals you and all other retail stores are the cause of this.
However i do appreciate the government stepping in to stop it the bottom line is you are doing this to make money.
All the other real reefers here are doing it for a hobby and not concerned about earning money from corals.
If anything the hobbyist trading frags is doing more then the government is but limiting the export of corals in their region.

Im also certain that you probably only responded to this thread to help increase your sales.

Shame on you.

What an obtuse thing to say!

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/obtuse