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#1
02-03-2009, 02:36 AM
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If a wolf is well fed with meat thrown to it, it would rather not expend any energy in killing prey if it is not hungry. Griff eats like a piglet and I could possibly see him nipping at something if I did not feed him for days. I still seriously do not think it was him and feel there is something else that did this.
Because I made a mistake in trusting an LFS for saying he is safe in my tank, I have had to set aside most everything I wanted to do with this tank. Although a nem is an invert, it never occurred to me he would even touch one. I can honestly say he has no interest in it and still feel he did not do it. What other possibilities could there be aside of Griff doing it? Yes I said I wanted to rehome him but never would. I have heard so many people tell me to get rid of the puffer, repeatedly... not going to happen. I had a super bad week with one disaster after the next with my system which had nothing to do with water quality or Griff eating anything. Just a myrad of freak accidents and disasters one after the next... I was venting and you never saw Griff in the sales section of canreef... he is a keeper. 
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02-03-2009, 02:46 AM
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 A family friend used to be the head vet at the big zoo out here and had a "pet" cougar on his farm in a very, very large pen. He also had deer (part of his home business). As a kid, I used to play with the cougar until it got big and too dangerous to play with. It was still very, very tame and of course well fed. Actually kind of fat  One day it escaped from its pen and guess what...killed several deer. Just ran around killing them. Didn't eat a single one. They do become "tame" but always have instincts. I have had puffers that let shrimp live with them for up to a year and then suddenly kill them one day. Nothing to do with missing a feeding...just suddenly hunt them down. There really is no point in arguing this as you know your fish better than I do but I am just saying its going to happen as the years go on with him. I still don't think he killed this nem based on what you say but I just hope you are not expecting to add a bunch of them in the future. I sense some disappointment when you talk about having to keep Griff which is really too bad since just a month ago you were very thrilled with him. You have a perfect sized tank for him to have a great life but just need to create a tank suitable to him. Good luck.
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02-03-2009, 03:06 AM
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A wolf will kill for the sport.
I used to live on a farm out in the country. We had a Great Dane that we had raised from a tiny puppy. He was a gentle giant.. lol in fact his name was Wimpy. One day I came home from work and a goat was dead out in the field. Figured it was a coyote but thought it a bit odd that the dog hadnt chased it off. A week later I came home and the dog had a 6 month old calf by the neck trying to take it down. The dog didnt do it because he was hungry and I dont even think he did it from instinct. I think he was bored and it was something to "play" with. The calf was fine, the dog didnt fare so well. Im wondering if your puffer didnt get bored and started poking or bumping the nem? And as it goo'd the more fun it became?
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02-03-2009, 03:10 AM
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02-03-2009, 06:28 PM
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This is interesting
Well I was checking my overflows and what do I behold in there...
There is a little baby LTA sitting in there at the bottom with hardly any light. I don't know if chunks of nems can turn into new ones or not. I know my nem was not splitting and had a bullet hole in it so I have no idea of what transpired. When I pulled the nem out the other day, I saw a chunk fall of it and go into the overflow. It was a chunk of tissue that fell off of the hole... but maybe I should not have taken it out. I was terrified it would tank my whole system and did not want to chance it. I always thought they just split so my research is not showing anything about this incident. If they are mortally injured can any pieces turn into a new nem? I have no idea of how to get it out of my overflow since I cannot get to it at all. It is clear instead of pink right now and seems to be fine though. I guess it will move up if it needs to do so and it does get food at the bottom of the overflow. I'm just going to leave it alone. Any insight with this?
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02-03-2009, 06:40 PM
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Just a thought, but may have just been splitting?? Or starting to split and ....something went wrong? Here's a pic of mine starting to split and it split from center out looking like a hole was "blown" through it and you could see all the insides exposed. As far as the piece is concerned can you try to get it with a small net? Small pieces can survive but I would think it would need light and feeding.
 Hope you can salvage the light guy. Sorry to hear.
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02-03-2009, 07:13 PM
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The thought of a split crossed my mind, but it guts were hanging out of it's mouth and the split was in the foot and not the mouth at all. When I finally picked it up, there was a huge hole in it with its guts hanging out there as well, and another hole closer to the tentacles. There was tissue falling off of it and I panicked. You know what I told you about hubby bringing it home, I was ****ed. I don't need that type of stress so early in the game.
I looked at post for pictures and it did not look the same. The little baby is suctioned to the very bottom of the overflows and even with my height and reach I can't get to it. When fish go down there I can't even fit a net to get it. I have a window beside the overflows and a small amount of light goes in there but not nearly enough. I also don't want to stress it out by trying to take it out so young. Maybe little tiny nems like to hide in low areas with small amount of light. I hope it moves up higher so I could snag it... I just don't want it to be eaten either. Did yours' ever finish the split?
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02-03-2009, 07:22 PM
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Ya actually that doesn't sound too good with pieces falling off? Really sounds traumatic!
No still not fully split but ate again yesterday as it is, so for now I have a nem with 2 feet! And am not worried about it as long as it can eat. I guess it will finish the split when it's ready?! Well hopefully the little nem does move up eventually. Perhaps add some light to the upper area of the overflow and it will encourage it to move to the top?? Good luck.
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02-03-2009, 03:31 AM
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Haha I love Griff. I have had a couple of canreefers to my home, and they can tell you how much I love the guy. He is the first fish I show to people. He swims into my hand and I can close my hand around him with no stress. You tell me how many fish you can do this with?
What I am disappointed about is the fact that the only answers I can get are "it's way to soon for a nem", and "your puffer had a good chance of doing it" I just wish there were other options to look at for the future. Whatever happened it looked like it bored a hole from the inside out... Quote:
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02-03-2009, 04:03 AM
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The nem was on a ledge with rocks around it to keep it from moving. If Griff had done it, he would have had to have knocked all the rocks out of the way to fit his fat head into the space. Both the rocks or the nem would have fallen down to the sand bed, since it was about half way up.
The mystery continues...
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