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			 I'm interested in stepping up to a larger tank from my 33 sometime in the future and my primary objective will be to make it QUIET.  I plan to have 3 sides visible probably a 75-120g with equipment from one small end. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			I will likely build a stand for it to put the noisy skimmer in the cabinet and so I have the option to put in a refugium underneath as well. However, I want it to be silent and low flow so what are the best options for this? Doesn't anyone have such a system that is very quiet and still with a sump/refugium? I may consider running without the sump/fuge but the problem then is how to hook up the skimmer so it is quiet, can a skimmer be converted to work like a canister filter that is enclosed under the stand? Any ideas would be appreciated. 
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	-Mike (Tank Info / Links / Pics shown below) 120G Reef with 2x250W MH lighting My old 33G Reef with 192W PC lighting Live Rock - These tanks have some purchased liverock, but mostly home made live rock  | 
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			 Yes, but unfortunately for the tank. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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			 Just drill some holes in the floor and run all the equipment in the basement. Get a pump that still flows a decent amount of water at 10 feet of head. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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			 Do you have any way to build a small room behind the tank to house your sump/fuge and equipment?  That might be the best way to make sure you get as quiet as is possible. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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			 Have a really small return from the sump (about 5x tanks volume) and run the rest through closed loops and quiet pumps (such as a Velocity series pumps) or powerheads.  Also, have your standpipe higher up in the overflow so the water falls about 1/4" and your tank will almost be dead silent. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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			 Look up the thread on Herbie's silent sump system on Reef Central. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
	Put closed-cell foam padding under the sump, and underneath the return pump and the skimmer pump. Look for silent pumps such as Velocity or Eheim return pumps.  | 
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			 Thanks for the ideas...  I'd love to do a tank that extends from a wall with equipment in the other room but I want to place it on an outside wall in the middle of a large rec room to really show it off.  So, I need everything to be within the cabinet.   
		
	
		
		
		
		
			I'll check out some of those pump suggestions also. I have a mag7 on a 90 gallon freshwater sump system and it is FAR too loud. Do any of you know how the velocity pumps compare to a mag7. I don't mind reducing the flow rate if it will make it quieter as I might only do a fuge, and not really a high flow sump. Thanks for the help. 
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	-Mike (Tank Info / Links / Pics shown below) 120G Reef with 2x250W MH lighting My old 33G Reef with 192W PC lighting Live Rock - These tanks have some purchased liverock, but mostly home made live rock  | 
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 I stuck a thin piece of neoprene foam under the pump, and have a stockman style (hang on) overflow, so all in all the system is pretty quiet. The trickling of water flowing through the pipe to the sump is all I hear now, but it's louder than I thought it would be, so going to experiment with a longer piece of air tubing. ~Tamara  | 
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			 Shy, 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			Glad to hear the eheim returns are much quieter. My wife and I run eheim canisters and nothing but for our freshy tanks and they are worth every penny since they are silent. I should have known the same would be try for their sump style pumps (guess I never looked anough though). Thanks... 
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	-Mike (Tank Info / Links / Pics shown below) 120G Reef with 2x250W MH lighting My old 33G Reef with 192W PC lighting Live Rock - These tanks have some purchased liverock, but mostly home made live rock  |