Anybody Using Trace Element Supplements?

[Johnny Reefer]

Originally Posted by Doug

Charles Delbeek and Julian Sprung are very knowing aquarists...... I would not discount them on one persons say so,...

Yes, I suppose you are right. Back on the list, ha ha!

[danny zubot]

Just thought I'd share that I have 3 leathers in my tank, Toadstool, yellow figi and some kind of finger leather. They hate it when I dose strontium, they close up for days. They love Ca+, Alk and Mg though.

[Johnny Reefer]

Originally Posted by danny zubot

They hate it when I dose strontium,....

So do you still dose strontium or have you stopped?

[danny zubot]

This is all just a recent discovery for me, but looking back to when I dosed in the past, I recall observing the same effects. My tank levels have been very good since I set up the new tank at the begining of May. They haven't strayed too far off so when I adjust it is never more than a minor change. When I added a small amount of strontium to the water last week my toadstool closed up until yesterday. After reading some of the material in this thread I see no need to add strontium anymore.

I went out and bought a general trace element suppliment the other day, which contains small amounts of many elements, vitamins etc. This will be good enough Im sure.

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by Johnny Reefer

Well after reading that, I've sctratched Delbeek & Sprung off my "Books To Buy" list.

I would buy all of Delbeek and Sprung be for I would buy any Shimek.

couple things, the good Dr. Ron got all his education in cold water environments, specializing in bugs. so his specialty is not in tropical conditions, this being said he is good at talking other peoples research and coming to conclusions which if you read any of his articles he acknowledges all the other work he uses. this is a common thing between scientists also. If you want to look at goof ups of any side you will find one, Except the Dr. Ron one was on deep sand beds, his words caused everyone to run out and speed tones of money they didn't need to put the wonderfully deep sand bed in the tank to solve all your problems, well low and behold a year later people are starting to have unexplainable algae problems, tank crashes, ect.. that get better when you remove the sand bed.. so he sucks back and starts saying that we as a enclosed environment can only support 1/100th of the variety and amount of life needed to make a sand bed work (you think that info might have been important initially ) then there is the salt tests on baby urchins and how Bio Assy was the best, so people start switching and bam tanks are dieing. turns out bio assy paid him for doing the tests.

so if you are going to stop buying books over small differences in opinion you better do the research and see which opinions are honest mistakes and which could be market driven.

for the record I have 4 sprung books all aw some books, and Charles Delbeek is considered the mecca of salt water and this is even by people like fenner, Califo, ect..

Steve

[Johnny Reefer]

Originally Posted by Johnny Reefer

Yes, I suppose you are right. Back on the list, ha ha!

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

I would buy all of Delbeek and Sprung be for I would buy any Shimek.
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so if you are going to stop buying books over small differences in opinion you better do the research and see which opinions are honest mistakes and which could be market driven.
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Steve

Ouch! Especially after someone else (Doug) had already prompted me to change my mind after I had made my ignorant comment.

Cheers,