Montreal passes pit bull ban

[Myka]

I think things would be much different for pit bulls if they were considered classy dogs rather than a lowly breed often owned by uneducated, poor people. If people "in the hood" didn't own pit bulls, rather people in the upper class did then I think there would be a lot more better behaved pit bulls and much fewer pit bull bites. It makes me wonder what would be the next "hood breed"???

[corallivore]

Hopefully Chihuahuas.

Or any breed that isn't a huge danger to society when not properly socialized, trained or understood.

A lot of these attacks are by dogs that are family pets and not owned by whatever stereotype you have in mind with the owner expressing outright surprise after someone dies or is seriously harmed.

I think demographics definitely play a role in the stigma but you can't discount incidents where the attack is wholly unexpected and out of character as far as the dogs caregivers are concerned.

This can happen with any breed to be sure.

The difference is that as a dog originally bred to kill, for fighting, when instincts take over, it can be fatal.

You just can't say that about all breeds.

[Dearth]

Whether you like his methods or not Cesar Milan makes it a habit to promote pit bulls as a gentle and loving dog I've met him personally and had a one on one with him although brief he understands the fears people have of dogs especially the ones deemed as violent (ie. pit bulls, German Shepard, Doberman, st. Bernard's and collies to name a few) but in his opinion no dog is born dangerous but are made dangerous by people and I agree with that whole heartedly

I have been attacked and bitten many times by dogs but I never blamed them I grew up in the country where dogs were everywhere I have the scars to show for it but we knew that dogs were for the most part working dogs first and family pets second and working dogs had to focus disturb that focus and you paid for it up that was time era I grew up in today the world is full of bleeding hearts and people who watch too many reality shows that don't show reality. Please don't blame the dog blame the human

[corallivore]

If you are ceasar milan, you can keep any dog, no matter how dangerous they can be.

His statements that a pit bull are no more likely to attack than any other dog is not backed up by statistics.

Regardless, the point isn't that they are more likely to attack, the point is that when they do, the consequences are far more severe than with most other breeds.

See reports of Chihuahua attacks above, for example.

And since you can't trust humans to be the kind of owner certain dogs require, banning makes sense because of people being shitty owners and advocates spreading this message that they are all great family dogs that were bred to be nanny's...which is factually untrue. They were bred to fight and kill and withstand significant pain once in the red zone.

Here is a quote from Ceasars Website

"But it’s also important for me to help educate people who own pit bulls about their dogs. Pit bulls combine the speed and determination of the terrier side of their ancestry with the strength of the bulldog side.

It is the Terrier determination that causes problems if they fight, because they’ll be oblivious to pain and just refuse to quit. As responsible owners, we should make sure to redirect those traits in healthy ways."

So people who probably shouldn't own any dogs get a pitty or bully of some sort and then someone or some poor pet dies a horrible, horrible death.

Not everyone is Ceasar Milan.

if they were, we wouldn't need to ban anything.

[Potatohead]

Since when are St Bernards, Collies and GSDs considered violent

[Dearth]

Originally Posted by Potatohead

Since when are St Bernards, Collies and GSDs considered violent

They are known to attack people without provocation and have seen it first hand myself it's just that it's not well reported since other breeds are considered more likely to bite or attack

[Potatohead]

Originally Posted by Dearth

They are known to attack people without provocation

Yeah, I'm going to need to see some proof of that one that's a little more than an anecdote.

[Dearth]

Originally Posted by Potatohead

Yeah, I'm going to need to see some proof of that one that's a little more than an anecdote.

St Bernard's and German Shepard's

http://www.curiosityaroused.com/natu...te-fatalities/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-after-8395631

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1058122/posts

https://petolog.com/articles/dogs-at...tatistics.html

Collie breeds

Collies are prone to biting as they are trained to herd and it is part of their genetic makeup and if they aren't given an outlet to release their ingrained traits can nip, bite and attack with little or no warning however if they are given an outlet to release that built up tension regularly through exercise, herding or agility course runs they can be the consummate pet