New Pisces Location

[Jamieh]

Hey Phelps here is the post that started this debate. They are clearly not out to ban puppy sale at Pet Stores!!!!

Originally Posted by EmilyB

Hi guys !

Long time no see.

Glad to see people are finally starting to take action regarding pet stores that sell puppies:

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...ub=CalgaryHome

Where to go to sign the petition:

http://www.actionsspeakloudercalgary.ca/

Deb

[sphelps]

Originally Posted by Jamieh

Hey Phelps here is the post that started this debate. They are clearly not out to ban puppy sale at Pet Stores!!!!

Yeah I know, my point was it won't ban puppies, you'll still be able to get a puppy when you want one. Pet stores will be forced to work with rescues and shelters and by doing so can still sell puppies.

[Jamieh]

But if Pet Stores don't sell puppies where will these shelters get puppies for anyone to buy???? Anyway enough of this, good chatting with you again, it's been awhile, miss your opinions!!!

Originally Posted by sphelps

Yeah I know, my point was it won't ban puppies, you'll still be able to get a puppy when you want one. Pet stores will be forced to work with rescues and shelters and by doing so can still sell puppies.

[sphelps]

Originally Posted by Jamieh

But if Pet Stores don't sell puppies where will these shelters get puppies for anyone to buy???? Anyway enough of this, good chatting with you again, it's been awhile, miss your opinions!!!

Supply and demand bro, currently supply is too high so you go right for testicles and tie a Herculies knot around them. Hurts like hell but effective. If demand becomes too high you loosen the knot a little perhaps allowing regulated breeding. The important thing to remember is yes at first your balls will be blue but eventually they will swing free.... wait what was I talking about again?

[saltcreep]

Originally Posted by sphelps

Supply and demand bro, currently supply is too high...

Based on what stats? What percentage do pet retail stores contribute to the availability of dogs? Again, this is misdirected legislation.

[sphelps]

Originally Posted by saltcreep

Based on what stats? What percentage do pet retail stores contribute to the availability of dogs? Again, this is misdirected legislation.

Do you really want me to show stats saying there are too many dogs out there??? What percentage stores contribute is irrelevant, if car accidents keep occurring at an intersection do they stop younger, older, or ethnic drivers from using it? No they decrease the speed limit and make everyone suffer for the greater good.

[saltcreep]

Originally Posted by sphelps

Do you really want me to show stats saying there are too many dogs out there??? What percentage stores contribute is irrelevant,

The percentage that stores contribute is very relevant due to sole fact that this legislation targets them and them only. Are the unwanted dogs coming from sales from pet retail stores?

Originally Posted by sphelps

if car accidents keep occurring at an intersection do they stop younger, older, or ethnic drivers from using it? No they decrease the speed limit and make everyone suffer for the greater good.

You make my point. Banning dog sales in pet stores is akin to shutting the intersection down.

[Jamieh]

Funny you should mention supply and demand. If the paying public did not want Pet Stores to sell puppies then they would not be buying puppies there and this issue would not be discussed. Pet Stores sell puppies because the public wants them to and continues to buy their puppies from these stores.

Originally Posted by sphelps

Supply and demand bro, currently supply is too high so you go right for testicles and tie a Herculies knot around them. Hurts like hell but effective. If demand becomes too high you loosen the knot a little perhaps allowing regulated breeding. The important thing to remember is yes at first your balls will be blue but eventually they will swing free.... wait what was I talking about again?

[sphelps]

Originally Posted by Jamieh

Funny you should mention supply and demand. If the paying public did not want Pet Stores to sell puppies then they would not be buying puppies there and this issue would not be discussed. Pet Stores sell puppies because the public wants them to and continues to buy their puppies from these stores.

Won't argue that, it's obvious most people would prefer to go to the local pet shop to buy a dog. Unfortunately not all pet stores take the time to educate people on what they are getting into or take to time to be sure the animal is going to a good home so quite often the dog is given up or abandoned. If all pet stores where as good as some already are and more people pursued adoption from shelters we probably wouldn't have a problem. Yes it's a shame but as always one bad apple can spoil the bunch. If we cut out the supply it will force people to seek there pets from overcrowded shelters and adoption events. Not a perfect solution but I don't see anyone else pursuing a better one, very easy for one to say how things should be done but a different story for someone to actually do something about it.

I really don't see this as a big deal, it's worked well with positive results in other areas and the only down side is pet stores won't be able to sell puppies (or at least in same way). So who cares, plenty of pet stores do just fine without the need to sell this kind of livestock.

I'll also add that I always laugh when people get upset about the government stepping in with more regulations. Sorry but the vast majority of the population isn't anywhere near responsible or smart enough to take care of things the right way or even close to it. You don't have the right to buy whatever you want when you want, the same as you don't have the right to do whatever you want when you want. Imagine what the world would be like if you could, chaos. Our system is far from perfect but if you think you'd be better off without it go for it, nobody is stopping you.

And as for comparing to this hobby I think you're all out to lunch, I see no reason what so ever for the assumption such a by-law will also lead to banning fish sales as well. The two issues are so unrelated it's not even funny. The only thing that ties this proposed by-law to the fish hobby is this forum it's being discussed in.

[howdy20012002]

people aren't smart enough to figure out things out on their own? wow, and I thought I was cynical.....
btw, I wasn't suggesting that the two were related in banning of sales.
I was suggesting that you shound not preach about animal ethics when you have a glass box in your house that is full of creatures that did not agree to be there.
is it ethical to support the salt water industry?
I guarantee that over half of the stuff taken from the ocean does not make the process of getting to your house.
I don't think that any dog breeders would have quite such a deplorable result.
yet, it is ok for you to support the saltwater trade??
please, hypocracy anyone?
as well, so if I don't think that a government who regulates every aspect of my life, I should move??? I'm sorry, but I like the idea of free and democratic country where I can make my own decisions.
I have a better idea, maybe you should look at moving at somewhere like China, where the government can take of all your needs.
give me a break.