Prazipro reef safe?

[my2rotties]

From research due to my angel deaths I am thinking it might be the cause of death. I have the fish in the freezer and will thaw them out and dip them in freshwater there is a thread on reefcentral about this very thing...

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...readid=1260067

If indeed this is my issue I need to do something NOW!!! I have one queen angel and cannot catch him to treat him or any of my other fish for that matter. I need to be proactive to ensure I do not have a big disaster on my hands...

I just don't need another disaster from trying to fix one as well. I will get through this but I am feeling a little panicked at the moment.

Should I thaw the dead fish prior to dipping or do I dip them in freshwater to thaw them.

[christyf5]

Um, why are you dipping dead fish?

[my2rotties]

To see if flukes fall off of them like they talked about on reefcentral

Originally Posted by christyf5

Um, why are you dipping dead fish?

[christyf5]

Originally Posted by my2rotties

To see if flukes fall off of them like they talked about on reefcentral

likely the flukes are already gone. they're pretty delicate and I would imagine freezing and thawing might be a bit rough on them. I guess its worth a try though.

[Mrfish55]

If I'm not mistaken the key ingredient in Prazi-pro is Praziquantel which is also an ingredient in the heartworm medication used to treat corals for red bugs, I am unsure of the other ingredients in prazi-pro (you would have to research that) but it should be safe to use, remove any decorative shrimps and crabs as it will kill those as well (and your pod population) Don't forget to remove any carbon and shut off air supply to skimmer, leave everything else running as normal so you can make sure everything gets medicated. Good luck.

[Delphinus]

Be wary of overreacting. I'm very sorry about the angels but treating a main tank is a recipe for disaster. I don't mean to sound cruel here, but listen to yourself: is a medication intended to kill off flukes reef-safe? By very definition, it is not. The whole idea of a medication is you're trying to poison your tank to the point that the "baddies" drop off while hopefully leaving enough "goodies" leftover to repopulate.

My suggestion is that if you do not 100% unequivocally know for certain that you have flukes in your system, that you do not nuke your tank with any medication.

On the flip side, if you have enough evidence to suggest that other fish may be affected, the wiser course of action is still to catch those fish and treat them separately in a hospital tank. Running your main display fallow of hosts will go far further than any medication.

Be very careful about overreactions in this hobby, it's very easy to overcompensate or overcorrect and then you're facing a worse situation and one of your own making. Please be careful.

[my2rotties]

I won't be doing anything until I do my homework for awhile. I have been trying to catch my Queen angel since he is showing signs of sickness. Not having very much luck with that at this point...

Originally Posted by Delphinus

Be wary of overreacting. I'm very sorry about the angels but treating a main tank is a recipe for disaster. I don't mean to sound cruel here, but listen to yourself: is a medication intended to kill off flukes reef-safe? By very definition, it is not. The whole idea of a medication is you're trying to poison your tank to the point that the "baddies" drop off while hopefully leaving enough "goodies" leftover to repopulate.

My suggestion is that if you do not 100% unequivocally know for certain that you have flukes in your system, that you do not nuke your tank with any medication.

On the flip side, if you have enough evidence to suggest that other fish may be affected, the wiser course of action is still to catch those fish and treat them separately in a hospital tank. Running your main display fallow of hosts will go far further than any medication.

Be very careful about overreactions in this hobby, it's very easy to overcompensate or overcorrect and then you're facing a worse situation and one of your own making. Please be careful.

[my2rotties]

It is indeed flukes... I added water to the Ziplock bags and see thousands of them floating in the water around the fish.

From the big thread I posted a link to, the Prazipro appears to be reef safe. Still doing research on it now. I hope I can find the meds today and I have to figure out what to do with everything now.

Taking a nice hike to avoid a panic attack and will be calling all the LFS while I'm doing that. At least I have answers now since nothing else made sense. Reefcentral people say it is a mystery killer and the thread I posted a link to has been more then helpful

I want to thank all the members of canreef for bringing up the flukes to help me pinpoint something. I owe you guys and thanks again...

[Pan]

Originally Posted by my2rotties

It is indeed flukes... I added water to the Ziplock bags and see thousands of them floating in the water around the fish.

From the big thread I posted a link to, the Prazipro appears to be reef safe. Still doing research on it now. I hope I can find the meds today and I have to figure out what to do with everything now.

Taking a nice hike to avoid a panic attack and will be calling all the LFS while I'm doing that. At least I have answers now since nothing else made sense. Reefcentral people say it is a mystery killer and the thread I posted a link to has been more then helpful

I want to thank all the members of canreef for bringing up the flukes to help me pinpoint something. I owe you guys and thanks again...

To be as delicate as I can. Adding...I repeat adding any medication to a tank is a recipe for disaster. A few people have success (luck..it really is) Most people who have been doing this hobby long enough IF they have to treat their fish they do it in another tank. Adding medications to an established reef tank is not good.
1. medications (some) kill bacteria...ALL bacteria.
2. Medications kill parasites on fish (kill ALL parasites...yes even copepods)
3. Medications kill fungal infections...(most will also kill inverts, corals etc..)

There is a very specific reason people with well established tanks and a long history in this hobby (most of the bigger tanks on rc..as big tanks need more forward thinking than a small tank..the potential for losses in a big well established tank are greater) use 2 things.

1. Quarantine tank
2. Patience (for reasons other than one would think)

Quarantine tank - MARINE and ORNAMENTAL TROPICAL fish go through a myriad of shippers and wholesalers systems all different and all contaminated (treated, but usually there is something) this single fact should deter anyone from putting a fish directly in their system without observation at home. Most people have small quarantine tanks...you quarantine a tang you need a tank that will suffice. Quarantine is to medicate and to observe WITHOUT inducing stress if it can be helped. Putting a tang or a big angel or any fish that needs a 180 or more in a tank that is 40-50 gallons, well you get what you deserve i think (this is not directed at anyone in particular just everyone in particular ) Once a disease is in the main tank you run into a myriad of troubles that usually results in a few losses at best and a crash at worst.

Specific in your case - research all you wish on medications but you will find big tanks that are well established (ie years and years) these people know what they are doing and DO NOT risk medicating a main tank(unless threatened with a total tank loss, and by then some do indeed panic...but not many) There simply is no medication you can put in your main tank that will not harm it in some way...if it doesn't it is a placebo and you just got ripped off.

2. Patience, as people have most assuredly told you rushing to stock a tank is a recipe for disaster. Both because the system is not ready for it....lots of live rock does not mean lots of bacteria...bacteria grows as the demand for it is increased. As ammonia is introduced to the tank eventually the bacteria we need is created..slowly. then the system is ready for the bio load it is at. Then another fish is introduced, more ammonia, then more bacteria, then bio load the tank can handle at that moment...see the pattern here? Also patience is required in order to OBSERVE fish....many many fish come to us that are sick (parasite, fungus, bacteria, cyanide) the only what to find out is to observe (hence the quarantine tank(s) ). When one rushes this process they inevitably loose fish...either blaming the store(s), themselves or a combination. A lot of people new to this hobby get discouraged and blame themselves (I see a bit of this in you messages) which it is hard to admit is ones one fault...but it can be prevented. Lots and lots of people will disagree with the use of a quarantine tank for medicating and observation, but I will say and say it quite bluntly they are not what i would call bright people in the sense they are taking a huge risk that is not needed. If you have a big system it is moronic not to have an equally sized system for quarantining. Some very great people in this hobby will say quarantining is something they don't practise and their tanks are fine...this is nothing more than luck, their day so to speak...will come. This is not a knock on the intelligence per say of people, but their intelligence related to the hobby.

I have noticed you have added a lot of fish in a short time also have met you and seen sick fish in tanks where you have bought your fish ( I will not name the store people, do your own looking when you purchase fish, you may pm me and i will tell you the stores it is not) I even mentioned some of the fish looked like they had a fungus or parasite, but that is neither here nor there. But an observation period allows one to see these things first hand....when one quarantines for 4-6 weeks then anything bad happens in that tank and can be isolated and dealt with.


This is not meant to flame anyone only to offer advice...if anyones advice is to forgo a quarantine tank because YOU didn't need one...keep your inane babble to yourselves...people new to this hobby already get enough useless advice they don't need more. same goes for medications...i repeat medicating a Display tank is simply asking for problems.

Cheers.

Take this anyway you wish.

[my2rotties]

I think I remember you.

I agree with what you are saying totally. I don't want to risk anything. The only fish I am having issues with are the angels, aside of the coral beauty. The tangs, puffer and rabbitfish are in mint condition.

We made mistakes and I can take the I told you so's. I have no intention of doing anything right at the moment until I figure out how to do things. We screwed up I admit it. It is hard to post about info and help knowing this, but it is not about my pride... it is about my fish.

Thanks for the input I need it.