Yet Another Warning

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by daniella3d

I really like it when people point to something without any testing or proof.

You might as well have compressed a nerve or something like that and that's where the tingling and numbness came from. It could have been that you are having other more serious issues with your blood vessel and that might come back, if that's the case. I don't think a left arm going numb has anything to do with zoanthids.

If you do a search in google for numbness left arm you will find a lot of possible reasons, but no zoanthid. I would go see my doctor if I were you...as this can hide something nasty, like an upcoming hearth attack.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_..._left_arm_mean

o god here we go let me guess it wasnt the zoas right he prob has velvet....throw him in some peroxide and a couple doses of vit c followed by some hypo.....

Originally Posted by daniella3d

That,s such a BAD advise!

Originally Posted by daniella3d

Sorry it's not a bad advise, it is a very bad advise.

Once you will get marine velvet and all your fish will be dead...then you will realize just how bad this advise is.

stiff drink anyone?????

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by MMAX

I was making a couple of frags the other day of some red zoas. I've read all the stories in here about the possible dangers of handling these corals but thought it could never happen to me. I'm not allergic to much in the way of bug bites, bee stings etc, so I went in bare handed. By the time I was done cutting and gluing I had a slight tingling in my left hand. As the night progressed it was almost as if my hand had gone to sleep--pins and needles all over. That's as bad as it got, no swelling or tingling up my arm or anywhere else but it was enough to scare me straight. Never again will I frag anything without gloves. Just be warned. Most of us know what we are and aren't allergic to but when it comes to exotic stuff like corals you just never know.

thanks for sharing man, not something to be taken lightly glad your ok

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

I'm sorry, that icon is reserved for Kien...please put it back.

to funny lol

[daniella3d]

NOw that's funny...first I did not attack anyone, second you posted a link to answer.com...same type of link I just poste that was supposably not good

I do beleive that some parazoanthus (usualy very ugly brown polyps) are carrier of the toxin, however the likehood of finding this in home aquarium is low. Plus those are not really the type of paly that one would want to frag! lol!

If you read, the most severe case of reaction in human was a man trying to boil the ugly paly to get rid of them, not trying to frag them. Here is a chart with the polyps that were found to be carrier:

http://www.plosone.org/article/slide...e.0018235.g002

and the link to the study:

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0018235

I just don't beleive that having a left arm go numb would be related to fragging zoanthids. Some people have understanding problem here..I was not saying that the OP was having a heath attack! wow that was funny...but rather that it is a possible causes and that I would go check with a doctor.

I do think that the OP should see a doctor and not take any chance with any possible cause.

Now that's just plain common sense.

Here is another study but I cannot have access to the full thing. Maybe someone here does.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...41010111000109

Originally Posted by 2pts

Thank you MMAX.

Try to ignore the people like I quoted.

This one lost all credability by attacking you for sharing your experience, then posted a link to an info search site. When I clicked that link that they provided to debunk you it came up with a big search box which I typed in "dangers of zoanthids".

When searched like that, the first non ad link had this in it...

"Palytoxin is a tumor promoter, and is being studied in relation to signaling pathways in skin cancer genesis.[16] Contrary to common belief, palytoxin can be absorbed through intact skin.[17] The danger of acute poisoning from venomous zoanthids is quite real. An aquarist was poisoned through skin injuries on fingers by a Parazoanthus species, but recovered after 3 days. His zoanthid was found to contain 2-3 milligram of palytoxin per gram.[18] For comparison, the intravenous LD50 dose of palytoxin for a grown man is less than 8 microgram. Thus each gram of the offending zoanthid contained enough venom to kill at least 125 grown men." (sounds safe to me)

So perhaps I am just confused, maybe that poster was arguing to support what you were saying.


Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/zoanthid#ixzz1bntuPJfq

[babyreef]

Please do not misinterpret my paragraph. I simply stated (rephrased) No single account constitutes enough proof either way. I'm simply directing everyone to look for more scientific fact, and not personal account.

I also agree that gloves should be worn as a precautionary measure, since different species of paly and zoanthid contain different levels of toxin. I encourage everyone to read the second link (in full), then you can make up your own mind whether or not to wear gloves when touching marine life, or for that matter, a helmet when you ride your motorcycle.

[Blom]

Then we come out with the safety of answers.com. Dont poke fun of wiki and then go to answers... better yet dont get your "sound" info from the web. Books are fun too.

Anyways thanks for the tip on the gloves, I will be sure to wear them from here on in.

[howdy20012002]

god I love this site.
it always amazes me how something can get so out of hand.
If you think about it, a box of gloves are cheap.
why take the chance for 20 cents????
scientific proof or not.
just my two cents.

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by howdy20012002

god I love this site.
it always amazes me how something can get so out of hand.
If you think about it, a box of gloves are cheap.
why take the chance for 20 cents????
scientific proof or not.
just my two cents.

worst case scenario it keeps the slime off your hand....best case scenario could save your life.seems like a win win to me as well

[MarkoD]

You believe this and you believe that but you still haven't proven or disproven anything. Op was having symptoms and his theory as to why it happen is way more probable, even without proof. You have 0 facts stating that zoas don't cause tingling in your hand after touching them and that it's only the brown ones.

Originally Posted by daniella3d

NOw that's funny...first I did not attack anyone, second you posted a link to answer.com...same type of link I just poste that was supposably not good

I do beleive that some parazoanthus (usualy very ugly brown polyps) are carrier of the toxin, however the likehood of finding this in home aquarium is low. Plus those are not really the type of paly that one would want to frag! lol!

If you read, the most severe case of reaction in human was a man trying to boil the ugly paly to get rid of them, not trying to frag them. Here is a chart with the polyps that were found to be carrier:

http://www.plosone.org/article/slide...e.0018235.g002

and the link to the study:

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0018235

I just don't beleive that having a left arm go numb would be related to fragging zoanthids. Some people have understanding problem here..I was not saying that the OP was having a heath attack! wow that was funny...but rather that it is a possible causes and that I would go check with a doctor.

I do think that the OP should see a doctor and not take any chance with any possible cause.

Now that's just plain common sense.

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by MarkoD

Then do a test and prove him wrong. Rub zoas all over your skin and then lick a few. See if nothing happens

now thats good advice and should be a sticky;p