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03-20-2009, 08:20 PM
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These fish and many corals are caught from the wild, and you're killing them because you're impatient, have a hard time taking advice, and some amount of you just don't know any better. That's not fair to the fish or the environment, and that ****es me (and likely many others) off to no end. You already have a bunch of livestock in there that doesn't get along with each other. You're digging yourself a hole. If you want a bunch of big Angels, set up a FOWLR tank. I am passionate about this hobby, and when someone comes barging in like a Rhino in a China shoppe, I feel like someone should stick up for the delicate animals who have no choice but to be a part of it.
You and your hubby need to learn about brakes, oh and breaks. Like Time Out. You both need a Time Out from the tank. Leave it alone for awhile. Enjoy it for what it is - so far. Nothing good ever happens fast in a sw tank. Remember that. If it was my tank I wouldn't add a darn thing to it for at least 6 weeks. Not even a snail. You will continue to kill fish, lose money, and be disappointed if you keep carrying on like you are. I know you and your hubby are all excited about it, and want to see it "come alive", but right now the only thing holding your tank back from doing that is you and your hubby. Sorry if I sound harsh, but you really need someone to give your heads a shake so you will listen better. Or...carry on throwing your money down the drain and killing beautiful animals with your impatience and lack of knowledge. Please learn to respect the animals more. Last edited by Myka; 03-20-2009 at 08:28 PM. 
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03-20-2009, 09:40 PM
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ouch,
anyway, if you had a bacterial infection bad enough to kill a bunch of fish something else must be wrong sine bacterial infections and similar issues usually are caused by problems with the water or the fish's immune system, id do some checking into the usual amonia,nitrite,nitarte test's maybe ph,and alk if all thats good maybe look at what your feeding
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03-20-2009, 09:41 PM
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I agree with Myka, patience is a virtue with reef tanks. What is your current list of fish now-a-days? If I remember you have a mix of trigger fish, tangs, puffers, angels.. and ?
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03-20-2009, 09:47 PM
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 BTW I have a lot of livestock that isn't supposed to get along together and for some reason they do. This of course is not always the case with most fish but sometimes you get lucky and they all get along.
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03-20-2009, 10:05 PM
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I have to agree with Myka on this. Not to be harsh at all though. It seems to me like you and your husband are struggling in th direction of the tank. Do you want a reef? Or a fowler? I think bringing a large angel into a reef is somethine left to the expert aquarists. And as someone who REALLY loves her pets, i think all you have to do is look at your past experiences and see that it really isn't a good idea. I know your husband spent alot of time with the build, and is infact passionate about the hobby, but how much research has he done into the husbandry and needs of the creatures you are caring for. I think if YOU are the one who is running the tank, YOU should have the final say in what is acceptable and not acceptable. And you do know the answer to that question. When there is two people at odd with regards to the care of creature that really have NO say, it will never end good.
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03-20-2009, 10:42 PM
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I would solve that tang problem before anything else. That Sailfin is going to end up dead if you don't. Just because things calm down for a day or two doesn't mean the next 10 years are going to be peaceful.
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03-20-2009, 10:46 PM
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Why beat around the bush? Just tell me how you feel...
 If I did not care about my animals I would not come here and ask the questions I am asking. I am asking the questions BEFORE something goes wrong for opinions and help. I buy aqua cultured corals or frags from other canreef people. I did not order this particular fish nor would I ever have a fish taken off the reef for my own desire. As sad as it is, people can buy whatever they want whenever they want... I have learned some lessons the hard way, so I come here and ask people whom know better then I do. Of course there are so many opinions out there, it is hard to know what the right thing to do really is.  This fish has been at the store for two months, and can stay there as long as needed. I don't want it to come home, and I believe my husband has decided against it as well. However I would like to be sure on his behalf while he decides. It is only fair to him and the fish. How do you know the next home won't kill that fish? Perhaps you should reread my post rather then skim through it to see that I am really concerned and do really care. You do not know me, my husband and our love for animals. I have rescued so many animals of all sorts in my lifetime and know they think and feel and hurt. I admit I have made mistakes in this hobby, but can you honestly say that you have not? How many fish have you lost over time? Patience is a virtue and this fish has been paid for for two months now... My trigger is paid for but has not come home yet either. I do my home work now, and make sure things are right. My water params are mint, and I check them daily. The only fish to get sick were the angels, that is it. I have gone to almost every LFS in the city one with a body for examination and diagnosis. I take this seriously. You can be ****ed off at me all you want, but I do care. I care enough to ask here and face being bashed on a public forum for the benefit of my fish. I can take the heat and I will still continue to ask when I need questions answered. I do not consider my fish replaceable and take their losses hard. I wonder how many people are afraid to ask the questions because of retaliation from members of this forum. I only dare to think. Thanks to all for the numerous PMs, I will answer them all shortly. Quote:
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03-20-2009, 10:55 PM
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Your tank is 4 months old, and what is your stocking list currently? My opinion is it is very irresponsible to be pre-shopping and buying fish before you can get your tank under control. It sounds like you haven't chosen what you want to stock or what your goal is for your tank, but instead act on opportunity of what the LFS has.
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03-20-2009, 11:11 PM
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Guys Calm down....
1) Yes they have prepaid fish that they think they will want so that no one else buys them - NOTHING worng with that AND they have not brought them home yet as they want to hopefully make sure the problem is rectified first. 2) I have counted dozens of posts from half of the people on here saying I know I should't of but.... or I think I made a mistake.... EVERYONE in this hobbies changes directions from time to time with what they think they want and MANY people try things that they "knew better" but decidied to try anyways..... She was asking for help and suggestion not a stoning.... I don't personally know them, but I did see the setup pictures they created and they have invested a lot of time and money in their setup so I don't think they are cutting corners, and can respect them fully for putting a fish on hold while they decide. More people probably should do that as well. Cudos for asking the question, and please don't be discourage from asking more. I personally have struggled with adding fish once I started going as well....AND I have also added fish that were suppose to be good natured so to speak but they have turned out the exact opposite (and Vise versa) so the norm isn't always what happens. As far as your angel is concerned it sounds like you have already convinced yourslef not to get it and I would probably stick with your gut, you can always change your mind down the road.... Cheers TJ
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03-21-2009, 12:09 AM
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Thanks TJ, I will always ask no matter what, since I DO CARE, and it is in the best interest to my tank and livestock.
Yes, I lost three angels to disease, I had two jumpers and my puffer ate three fish. Yes, I have made mistakes, and yes I have learned from them... Am I a better hobbyist, YES. Do I ask questions, YES. Do I care what you think of me, not really. I feel bad for any other newbie in this hobby that is watching this. Who would dare to ask a question out of care and responsibility for their livestock? I can take the heat so I don't really take it personally. I do it for my pets which I do love and know very well... each and every one of them. Can any of you honestly say that you have not lost fish in this hobby, especially in the beginning? Think what you like to think about me, it does not matter in the end. It is easy to judge a person and point fingers from behind a computer screen. Do what you need to do to me, but perhaps have a decent answer to the question so I don't waste my time reading through all the flaming. So... does anyone have actual answers to a question, or just flaming? Those whom have glass boxes should not throw rocks... Quote:
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