So mad right now GRRRRRR!!!! (R.I.P. froggy)

[lockrookie]

i still feel bad a loss is a loss they may not talk to us but they blow kissy faces everytime we look at them. or attitude when we tick them of. mine mostly give me attitude.

[Doug]

Sorry for your loss Laurie.

[Lance]

[christyf5]

Sorry to hear Laurie.

[fishoholic]

Originally Posted by lockrookie

i still feel bad a loss is a loss they may not talk to us but they blow kissy faces everytime we look at them. or attitude when we tick them of. mine mostly give me attitude.

So true.

Thanks everyone.

[4lti7ude]

Sorry to hear about bumblebee.

Just a random thought tho. If the frog fish was swimming through rocks and crevices, it would be very hard for his tail to get caught if his full body fit through. The only way it could get caught would be a little land slide. Even so, the chances of of a land slide caused by him would be pretty low since they swim very weak.

I watched a bunch of videos on Lion Fish eating in the wild and in captivity, and I totally think a lion fish can rip off a tail no problem. A fin being bit off would be even easier. As for the clean bite, you said you came home to finding this. Which I'm guessing means you were out for quite a while. A series of bites can of the fin off then to the body of the fish can equal a clean bite. Cause as he the fins get nipped off theirs less of a fan to bite.
The lion fish's mouth is for sure big enough to take out the tail in a couple bites and a fin in even one. I couldn't find any pictures of a lion fish's teeth, but if its a carnivore then for sure it has teeth that can do damage.

Maybe you just don't wanna think its the lion fish because hes been eating and being nice to the frog fish; but if you watch a lion fish hunt, the fish around them aren't to worried about them coming close to them. The lion fish just slowly drifts to its position and gets really close, but the fish don't seem to care...and then he attacks. Its like it can change its mood without warning.

[fishoholic]

Originally Posted by 4lti7ude

Sorry to hear about bumblebee.

Just a random thought tho. If the frog fish was swimming through rocks and crevices, it would be very hard for his tail to get caught if his full body fit through. The only way it could get caught would be a little land slide. Even so, the chances of of a land slide caused by him would be pretty low since they swim very weak.

I watched a bunch of videos on Lion Fish eating in the wild and in captivity, and I totally think a lion fish can rip off a tail no problem. A fin being bit off would be even easier. As for the clean bite, you said you came home to finding this. Which I'm guessing means you were out for quite a while. A series of bites can of the fin off then to the body of the fish can equal a clean bite. Cause as he the fins get nipped off theirs less of a fan to bite.
The lion fish's mouth is for sure big enough to take out the tail in a couple bites and a fin in even one. I couldn't find any pictures of a lion fish's teeth, but if its a carnivore then for sure it has teeth that can do damage.

Maybe you just don't wanna think its the lion fish because hes been eating and being nice to the frog fish; but if you watch a lion fish hunt, the fish around them aren't to worried about them coming close to them. The lion fish just slowly drifts to its position and gets really close, but the fish don't seem to care...and then he attacks. Its like it can change its mood without warning.

You have a good point and it makes sense that a lionfish's mood changes quickly when he's hunting. The cleanness of the cut on his tail and the fact that I've never seen the lion be aggressive to the frog lead me to think that maybe it wasn't the lion, but you're absolutely right in my not wanting to think that my lion could of done it. However when I saw his hand go missing I knew it was either the animal that make the popping sounds in my tank or a crab I couldn't see or most likely the lionfish.

I knew the melafix in the tank seemed to be hindering the frogfish's breathing so I thought about putting him in the sump of my other tank but I have a mantis in there and what if the popping sounds in the 20g come from a mantis and it's a mantis doing this to the frog and not the lion. Then I thought about moving the lion to one of my other tanks but the reef tank has too many small fish in it and the fowlr tank has a toby puffer that will nip the lion's fin's up.

Since I had plans last night and was already running late I figured that I'd figure out what to do when I got home or in the morning. I had a few plans: Put froggy in my sump or re-home him to my friend's tank, or catch the toby puffer and move him to the reef tank and put the lion in the fowlr.

Really wishing I had of moved bumblebee to the sump as ultimately I think the melafix treatment hindered his breathing so much that that's what killed him. I do think that I would of needed to move one or the other as I do think there is a strong possibility that it was the lion bitting him, however the loss of limbs he could of healed and lived with as long as I removed the cause of what was causing the limb loss. Pretty hard to live when you can't breathe though

Lesson learned: Melafix and frogfish don't mix. Probably a good idea to avoid lions and frogs together too.