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02-03-2009, 06:54 PM
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I would be in for Edmonton also.
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02-03-2009, 08:00 PM
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Yes you can get in on it. I'll ship with freezer packs so it shouldn't have any issues.
We have hit 57 bags...this is by far the biggest order yet, and I haven't even added in what I want for myself yet! I am also the only person who doesn't want garlic with her food.
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02-03-2009, 08:34 PM
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02-04-2009, 12:15 AM
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I've read a few paper that suggest that garlic contributes to liver damage in fish over the course of time. I also find that my freezer smells a little less strong without it!
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02-04-2009, 02:43 AM
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I would like to order 2 bags with nori, without garlic, shipped with Greyhound. I will email you my work address for shipping. Can you accept an email bank transfer?
If anyone else in Edmonton wants to join in on the shipping I work in SE Edmonton (30 st & 60 ave) or it can be picked up at my house (south of Hwy 14 near South Cooking Lake) or I can take it to a willing LFS on the southside after work.
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02-04-2009, 04:29 AM
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Catherine, do you have a link or something with the info on the garlic causing damage? I'd like to take a look at it. I'll still go with garlic in mine, but am only really going to be using the food to add into the varied diet I feed all my tanks....interesting none the less
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02-04-2009, 01:39 PM
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Frenchie, its changed.
As for the links, this is the thread that started it. Some literature contained within the thread: http://www.ajol.info/viewarticle.php?id=18706 http://www.springerlink.com/content/w1g55h5463225648/ http://www.reefs.org/library/article...tes-jorge.html From there I jumped from paper to paper, via references. The best post from the thread is Greenbean36191's "Clearly there is evidence that in high doses garlic can damage the liver of fishes. However, I don't know of any studies that looked at the histopathology of using smaller doses, so there's really no way to say what, if any, dose is safe. There haven't been any studies done showing that orally administered garlic does anything to fight off protozoans in fish. All we have to go on is anecdotal evidence from people saying that they fed garlic and the ich went away in 3 days or that they've fed garlic and they've never had ich. The trouble with that is that people who don't treat with garlic or treat with "cures" that are known to be ineffective can say the same thing. When I first started in the hobby I had 2 fish come down with severe ich and I didn't feed garlic and the ich went away. Since then I've never fed garlic and never had ich either. It's well documented that fish can recover from ich and develop immunity with no treatment at all. In the absence of controlled tests showing that orally administered garlic is effective, there's no way to attribute the effects to garlic rather than just the natural ability of the fish to fight the parasite. Also, there's evidence that although garlic may induce fish to eat more, it induces lots of metabolic changes that cause the fish to use the food less efficiently. So again, there shouldn't be an assumption that because the fish eat more with garlic, they're healthier. While I don't think there is enough evidence to say one way or the other whether feeding garlic is directly harmful to fish, I do think it can be dangerous in the sense that people choose to forgo proven treatments in favor of garlic which is untested. Ich is afterall a life-threatening disease." Last edited by michika; 02-04-2009 at 01:42 PM.
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02-04-2009, 08:58 PM
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Interesting reads!
I'll still keep with the garlic though please catherine
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