New pics posted

[AJ_77]

With Friday traffic, I can be to your place before 5:30, if you're agreeable. And whatever quantity of shrooms you think is appropriate will be very much appreciated, thank you. [img]smile.gif[/img]

The shell sounds like a good idea, too. Do you have "try before you buy?" ;)

Alan

[ 10 May 2002, 14:01: Message edited by: AJ_77 ]

[DJ88]

Looks really good Bob. [img]smile.gif[/img] Nice tank and set up.

Kim,

I don't know if it is that he has busted a myth it is more likely that Bob was one of the lucky ones and bought a cleaner that will eat prepared foodstuffs. Like the six line I lucked out with and it ate flatworms. It isn't the norm for cleaner wrasses to live as they only eat parasites and dead matter off of other fish. So unless you have a huge tank a cleaner wrasse will starve.

[Bob I]

So I could really split hairs about cleaner Wrasses. Some books say they are obligate feeders, and will only eat parasites or starve. A parasite is in reality is protein , and fats etc. no different that Mysis Shrimp, or Brine Shrimp, or dried food for that matter. If they eat other foods they will live well. Therefore, if they will eat other foods when first introduced, they will be fine, so they are not really obligate feeders. Mine eats anything, and will live out his normal lifespan unless something happens. I only keep him to see just how long he lives. It is not one of my favorite fish at all. BTW He likes the feelers on snails, so my Astreas always have to keep their feelers hidden.

[ 10 May 2002, 15:58: Message edited by: Bob Ipema ]

[DJ88]

If they eat other foods they will live well

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is exactly the crux of the whole problem with cleaner wrasses. Most don't eat other than those parasites and dead scales and such from other fish. Some eat prepared food, most(I'd say 95%) don't. Yes mysis, pods, parasites, what have you are protein, that doesn't mean that is what these fish eat in nature. Some figure out that this stuff floating around in the tank is a food source. Most don't. Cleaner wrasses have developed a very specific niche in nature. To clean off other fish on the reef.

If I was to go to any LFS right now I can honestly say none of the cleaners in any store will eat the prepared food. If I see one that does I am always amazed. That is few and far between. Personally I have seen maybe ten out of the hundreds I have seen come through various stores I have visited eat prepared food. fully half die before they leave the store, more die shortly after. They are still obligate feeders as such. If a relatively small number have adapted and eat foodstuffs being offered for them doesn't mean the fish aren't obligate feeders. When the books say obligate they are talking of what they eat in nature and only there. Things that happen in our tanks are not always what happens in nature. We all have seen that to one extent or another. Especially when it comes to fish. They are for the most part very adaptable. Older ones aren't as adaptable. Get a younger fish and you stand a better chance of getting one that hasn't become so steadfast in it's habits of what it eats to live.

It is great that your cleaner wrasse is around after two years. I hope it keeps going for a long time to come.

[ 10 May 2002, 16:30: Message edited by: DJ88 ]

[Bob I]

Originally posted by Jack:
boy does that bulb ever look sweet. I am definatley going to 10 000k, forget this Iwasaki buisness ;) lol

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I suspect you mean definitely and business.
Bob

[Bob I]

Originally posted by delphinus:


(Hmmm.... I remember, once someone telling me that they would unequivocally never use halides... :D )

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have no idea who that was, but he was probably pulling your leg. :eek:

[AJ_77]

If the Lumper is a halide fan, then what excuse do I have? Actually Bob, that bulb does look Much Better in person that the photos. Very nice indeed.

(Mushroom Note: 2 pieces have stayed where I put them, within inches of each other on the same rock. They seem to have survived the trip. Another smaller piece is down below and shows no life signs...)

I'm thinking I may need more actinics for the 250W yellowbird. Or a new bulb, maybe. Jon, you ordering anything from SWC?

Cheers!

[Canadian Man]

Ahhh no sorry Alan, no extra money.Owe the tax man some money.