FS/FT. SUNCORAL AND FUNGIA (EDM)

[lpsreefer]

Originally Posted by reefwars

take it out of the tank for feeding when first training, to train my suncorals or dendros i simply take them out place them in a container and leave them in the container for a long time , hours actually. i feed a mix of mysis,coral snow and FM......set and forget and come back to fed corals , place them in the display and they are either swollen or open shortly afterwards, the sudden jump in flow triggers another feeding response.

after a week or two with the tupperware method and they will be fully acclimatized and only need to be fed here and there depending on the type it is.

i feed either FM lps pellets or mysis from a turkeybaster when i target feed them in the display.


consistency is key if you want them to stay healthy, once you have them down i swear youll want more lol :P

i have seen him do it. he well leave it there for hours! the sun corals look awesome! on a side note. he also leaves the tupperware on top of a sump to keep the water warm instead of freezing on the floor.

[hooper]

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[NIVLEM09]

what i did with my sun coral was,i cut a 2 litre bottle of pop in half and put it over your coral to completely enclose it and then feed.fish nor shrimps won't be able to get in and the sun coral can eat in peace

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by NIVLEM09

what i did with my sun coral was,i cut a 2 litre bottle of pop in half and put it over your coral to completely enclose it and then feed.fish nor shrimps won't be able to get in and the sun coral can eat in peace

how about when it doesnt eat?

[NIVLEM09]

Well,just remove the "highly technical device"(pop bottle) after feeding.

[Reef Pilot]

Originally Posted by reefwars

how about when it doesnt eat?

As I mentioned earlier, I use a similar method with a cut out water bottle. If the heads are still closed, I just put in a few mysis with the turkey baster, and blow the water around a bit inside. That seems to trigger the feeding response and the heads then come out. After a few minutes, I release more mysis, and let them eat as much as they want. When they are finished, I just lift off the plastic water bottle, and the other fish and shrimp clean up any left overs.

With mine, the heads are usually open in the mornings. I assume that during the night, they must be trying to catch some errant pods swimming by. And, when I feed, they stay open longer. If I don't feed, they usually close up after the lights are on for a while.

I have been amazed though, by how much my colony can consume with one feeding. Usually it is almost a full cube of mysis. They just pull it in, and stuff it down.

[reefwars]

Well my dozen or more special of tubasstrea colonies some with over 100 heads and I've had for a very long time are open 24/7 , feeding them from a bottle is not a concern for me as I don't have animals that steal food.

Heres how suncorals work.

They need energy to open, they get back this energy from food, when they come out. And theres no food they use energy that's not replaced. If this happens to often they shut down.

When a suncoral doesn't come out it starts to provide energy the only way left, which by this time is to eat themselves from the inside out.

I'm not saying that a 2l bottle wont feed your corals I'm.saying there's am easier way to train without polluting your water quality.

Go to RC and read on the Tupperware method, unsing this method guarantees food several times a day and no wasted energy, after a week or two of doing this your suncprals will be open 24 hrs a day whether you feed or not.

I collect tubastrea and dendrophyllia have many species of both, fact is food is food, the idea is to feed the coral not the tank.

For me I use coral snow, fauna Marin and mysis, 2 out of 3 of these wont float nicely in a 2l bottle.

Not to mention not everyone has a sandbed....on RC we on the nps forumns decided while the 2l works its not as effective as the Tupperware method

, this method I
s designed to feed all day with as much pollution as possible and not pollute the tank.

Now what do you do when the suncoral doesn't eat or wont come out??



Also suncorals love flow it brings food to them.

[Reef Pilot]

I just fed mine this morning, so here are a couple more pics. Like I said, I first drop in a few mysis, and when all the heads are out I feed them the rest. I blow around the mysis inside the bottle a few times until all the mysis are stuck to some waiting head. Some actually eat more than one. You can see how bloated a few of them are, as they gobble them down.

Today, I fed a complete cube, and they ate up every last mysis, none was left over. So they were definitely hungry.

Bottle on, added a few mysis and heads all out now ready for feeding.


Full cube of mysis in, and feeding under way.


Denny, I am not saying the in tank bottle method is better. I haven't tried your method, so can't speak to that. But it is interesting that you say yours are open 24/7. Mine are definitely not. I also have some Dendros though, and they are open 24/7.

Anyway, at least we know a couple methods that can be used. They are definitely a colourful addition to a tank, and not hard to keep healthy.

Oh, I should add that I have never had a situation where they didn't open up or fail to feed.

[Xadieu]

Great read right here :P

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by Reef Pilot

Denny, I am not saying the in tank bottle method is better. I haven't tried your method, so can't speak to that. But it is interesting that you say yours are open 24/7. Mine are definitely not. I also have some Dendros though, and they are open 24/7.

i understand , and the bottle trick does indeed work provided your suncoral is healthy enough to come out and feed ,fact is the bottle is only to keep others from robbing the food as suncorals take food quite aggressively and have no problem swallowing a piece of mysis in less than a few seconds.

ive tried maybe 20 different approaches to feeding and i want to explain that the tupperware method outside the aquarium is not for easy feeding but to guarantee they get food the whole time they are out , this has to be done more than once and usually for a week or two consistently, once done they will stay out 24hrs a day(provided your have nutrients or food particles in the water column)regardless of the intensity of light.


right now i have more suncorals then i have any other corals except zoos, i collect them and try to have as many pieces and species as possible and have put countless hours into understanding why they feed, how they feed and what keeps them out continuously.

once you get to this number feeding and waiting for them to come out is time consuming and doesant work with my regular scheule and work hours.

by using the tupperware method i can get new specimens to be out and feeding for days on end continuously , now since they are getting food the whole time they are out as opposed to whenever food is manual fed, they are getting a constant supply of energy and using less to open as they stay open.


after i do the tupperware acclimation method they are out full force , they never close my corals dont know day from night as long as i provide food daily they stay out all the time.

when i buy a new specimen they are not always ready to take food and need to be acclimated , average acclimation time on fresh suncorals from the wild is about 2 weeks, this includes dendros which can at times be as hard as suncorals to train.


now once they are acclimated i can feed them in the display in which i switch to pellets its less pollution and easier to feed then frozen, i do the same for my dendros, when im feeding the fish frozen the suncorals and dendros get some of that as well.


i should also mention that i run a continuous feed via 2 brs perialistic dosers that feed the tank 24 hrs a day im sure this helps keep them open as well when target feeding isnt going on.

my tank is mostly zoanthid and nps dominant with several or more carnations,tubastreas,dendros and gorgonians plus some others.


feed daily if you can once in the morning and once at night, they will have more energy, when they close they use energy thats not needed and when they stay open they dont use the energy it takes to open, all of this energy has to be replaced via feeding and is used towards feeding.

some pieces are very hard to train im currently doing the tupper ware method on a dendro i picked up about 3 mths ago it still does not stay open and barely feeds, on rc there are cases of people going 6mths and more with this method trying to bring back a specimen that is eating its self from thew inside out.



beautiful corals , my tubastreas are dropping babies everywhere in my tank not to mention the origional colonies grow very fast , they are a great coral to take up dark places.


the doser is mainly for gorgs and other nps that feed on food in the microns, but the suncorals use that food as well.


and of course a few pics heheh, sorry its a cheap phone camera



cheers and enjoy guys!

















nps are beautiful corals and are getting easier and easier to keep then they were years ago , keeping them longterm isnt a dream anymore but rather a reality that anyone can do , the same is said for alot of gorgs that we couldnt keep years ago