Nano Bubble Injection

[Jordon]

I was actually reading this shortly before you posted!

Gimmicky would be if they were selling something, which it doesn't appear that they are at this time. So what would be in it for them exactly?

I think this is something I would try at night only, but would definitely wait for Mike's take on it when he posts his articles @ RB. I have many other experimental things on my list to try first.

This is what makes the hobby exciting; Finding interesting ways to make something "better" Yes, yes, maybe not visually pleasing, but at 3am, i'm not exactly looking at my tank, and it if improves health or has other positive effects, why not?

The whole thing here I think is will this actually work better than a skimmer, or what other effects does it have versus one? Also if there are pros to run this versus a skimmer, is the extra cleanup (possibly from salt creep) and other factors worth it?

soapy, do you have the resources to set up two small tanks to test this theory? i.e.: identical livestock, equipment, rock, sand and water conditions, with only that one variable changed? If so, that would be amaze-balls.

[soapy]

Originally Posted by JDH

I was actually reading this shortly before you posted!

Gimmicky would be if they were selling something, which it doesn't appear that they are at this time. So what would be in it for them exactly?

I think this is something I would try at night only, but would definitely wait for Mike's take on it when he posts his articles @ RB. I have many other experimental things on my list to try first.

This is what makes the hobby exciting; Finding interesting ways to make something "better" Yes, yes, maybe not visually pleasing, but at 3am, i'm not exactly looking at my tank, and it if improves health or has other positive effects, why not?

The whole thing here I think is will this actually work better than a skimmer, or what other effects does it have versus one? Also if there are pros to run this versus a skimmer, is the extra cleanup (possibly from salt creep) and other factors worth it?

soapy, do you have the resources to set up two small tanks to test this theory? i.e.: identical livestock, equipment, rock, sand and water conditions, with only that one variable changed? If so, that would be amaze-balls.

A comparison test like that would be a cool idea. Or even just a tank to test coral frags. Some species are going to hate this but some might thrive with it. I already know of one cyphastrea that hates the bubbles and an acro that shed a slime layer, which the reefer in Mitch's link thinks that is a good thing.

One might guess that the deep water, forereef and lagoonal corals won't be as tolerant to bubbles as the reef crest and reef flat ones.

[mike31154]

Cool thread with interesting info. Don't find the idea gimmicky myself, particularly in light of other 'gimmicks' I've seen for this hobby. Certainly recall reading much about folks obsessing about microbubbles in their display caused by an overachieving skimmer in their sump. It's good to see another perspective on the effect of microbubbles.

My skimmer is in fact an old school wooden air diffuser job, diy, came with the tank. Quiet & does the job. Some years ago I happened across a glass Japanese skimmer design for nano tanks. Called a Mame, quite pricey, but a little work of art that uses a wooden diffuser & is located in the display, the bottom being open to tank water. I've considered something similar but on a larger scale for some day when I actually have a sump. Not sure I'd want something like this in larger scale in my display, using up valuable real estate. However, if one were ok with it, one may easily modify the concept with a valve somewhere to allow periodic bursts of microbubbles into the display.

Will be interesting to see how this develops further.... or not. The YouTube you linked to in an earlier post certainly leaves no doubt that shallow reefs are blasted regularly with copious amounts of bubbly goodness! And if we are indeed trying to emulate a little slice of the ocean in our tanks, why not? With our tanks being 3 feet deep at the most, why do we even bother with deeper water coral? Or a mixture of species???

Ducks head & runs...

[soapy]

Hey Mike, yes I remember those Mame skimmers I thought they were a clever design and was thinking of building a copy at one time.

Recently I was thinking of a similar idea to build a bubble containment device for those Bio-cube carbon dosing blocks. Something to contain the bubbles and salt spray but let the water migrate freely.

[soapy]

An update on the tank design which takes care of the salt spray issue. Negative pressure will also help pull any salt vapours away from any gaps in lighting fixtures.

Note also that the plumbing was drawn to keep the diagram simple, not for practicality.

[albert_dao]

Originally Posted by JDH

Gimmicky would be if they were selling something, which it doesn't appear that they are at this time. So what would be in it for them exactly?

But... The ARE selling something: They are a business and selling the idea that they are the experts. Good on them. I have zero issues with that nor the fact that they choose to do this with their clientelle; but the idea that they're not selling something is blatantly false. The spread of their idea beyond their customer base is incidental to their own marketing that they are innovators and authorities.

[Proteus]

I spent a entire day talking to Cruz from elegent coral about this method. They have done this method for 15 years. Along with it being a popular method in Asia
You can check out their fb page to get more info also a thread on r2r

There is a big difference between micro bubble and nano bubbles. Nano bubbles are no more than 50 microns because of the super small size they are very slow to rise and if done correctly will rise even slower due to decreasing the weight of the water. Which is why they suggest a hard wood air stone. It is also noted to have extremely good flow to keep the bubbles from forming larger bubbles.
Almost everyone who is using this method has reported more vigorous in fish and better growth in corals, the first hours corals slime up allowing them to "shed"

This essentially turns the tank into a reef environment.
I will be starting this method on the weekend. I will keep results posted

[soapy]

Sounds good Proteus. Keep a close eye on your corals if any have bubbles stuck to corals after the air goes off you will want to blow them off. Or perhaps move these corals to a part of the tank not getting bubbles. Air stuck on the coral's tissue can cause problems.

There are many corals that rarely touch air.

The ones living along the reef crest and reef flat are most tolerant of air. Acroporas are the most common in these areas from what I read.

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by soapy

Sounds good Proteus. Keep a close eye on your corals if any have bubbles stuck to corals after the air goes off you will want to blow them off. Or perhaps move these corals to a part of the tank not getting bubbles. Air stuck on the coral's tissue can cause problems.

There are many corals that rarely touch air.

The ones living along the reef crest and reef flat are most tolerant of air. Acroporas are the most common in these areas from what I read.

I did read about lps able to get embolism... But I only keep acros. In talking to Cruz he stated that to start you do 10 hours a night for 3 nights then down to 5 hours a night.

It has been said that this method will get rid of nuisance algae, cyano, Dino's

I have a ton of flow so not a issue with bubble collecting

I would suggest getting a hold of Cruz Arias at elegant corals if you have any questions. He has been great taking me through this

[soapy]

Originally Posted by Proteus

I did read about lps able to get embolism... But I only keep acros. In talking to Cruz he stated that to start you do 10 hours a night for 3 nights then down to 5 hours a night.

It has been said that this method will get rid of nuisance algae, cyano, Dino's

I have a ton of flow so not a issue with bubble collecting

I would suggest getting a hold of Cruz Arias at elegant corals if you have any questions. He has been great taking me through this

I will need to rearrange my tank a bunch again before I start hitting it with bubbles. One of the Cyphastrea caught a few bubbles and it burned those spots a bit.

My tank has been through a lot lately: new lights, rock tear down, new fish. So once it settles down I will be doing more tests with bubbles. But I will wait until everything is stable again so I can see clearly the affects of the bubbles alone.