Coral experiments

[StirCrazy]

i voted late but did so be for I read down, I voted wont survive. some people were talking about this being done in the medical field all the time but it is way different, that is an instantaneous freezing and only works on certain things, mostly single cell objects. or things that are not alive, they are part of a organism but not the whole organism. but it was neat to see what would happen as fruit flys and some types of insects will survive it so there was a chance, even thought we all know how sensitive corals are to temp change.

as for the other posts, I don't know how many frags I myself and several others have put out on the back deck to cook in the sun, just cuz it was time to trim corals and no one wanted the frags.

I guess I kinda look at it the same as trimming plants in a freshwater tank, just needs to be done once and a while when you have groth rates as fast as I used to have. guess I could have went to T5 bulbs to slow it down.....

Steve

[arrowan54]

a lid to keep evaporation down to min the salinity has to be out for this reason ?

[kien]

and if you really want to boil it down, think about the MILLIONS if not BILLIONS of complex organisms we are killing each time we do a water change..

.. speaking of boiling..

[Proteus]

The mad science aspect of this is quite evident - can they survive the freeze? Good question, but i'd recommend you ask a coral researcher or dig through some marine journals if you're honestly that curious.

I would wonder how these books and papers would have been written if it wasn't for people like Denny.
The one thing that bothers me is that your personal opinion holds back inquiring minds.
He is notpulling a dredged through the reef he's not skinning rabbits alive.

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by Patwa

This thread has got me a bit perturbed. I should have posted this as soon as I read your first post a few days back, but I was left more in disbelief than anything else, and plus, it's been a hell of a week at work and home..sigh.

I saw the reaction on RC when you posted it and I have to agree with the latter sentiments there that what you're doing lacks any remorse and is essentially careless. Nevermind the complete absence of the notion of animal husbandry in what you're doing - the central reason we're all hobbyists!

The point i'm going to make is that they're animals. They have a central nervous system - a system that tells them when there is danger and when it is safe and how to react. When you do something like intentionally harming them, they will react as any animal in that situation would. We're not talking about accidental death - we're talking about trying to kill the animal by using extreme stress (cold), compounded by time.

The mad science aspect of this is quite evident - can they survive the freeze? Good question, but i'd recommend you ask a coral researcher or dig through some marine journals if you're honestly that curious.

I dunno, maybe you have too much time on your hands....but as they say, idle hands are the devil's tool? (or however it goes). Try and find some other way to use your time...maybe try and see how you can get them to grow faster, eh?

You've been in the hobby a long time, just as I have...thus, i'm blown away that you still can't come to appreciate the fact that it is a living creature, and that what you're doing is trying to quantify how and to what extent you can end its life.

anyhoo.....Im blown away it lived that first night....but i'm not going to applaud your efforts.........I think you should stop this "experiment" asap.

theres always one i guess....anyways ill bite as i love a good debate and am in the arguing mood:P



ok so you mean to tell me that you have never swatted a fly on purpose?.......sure


how about stepped on an ant?........sure

how about pulled a handful of hair algae off the rocks?...........sure

how about removed a bristle worm or intentionlly killed pods with a filter sock or your skimmer?....sure

hell just running a skimmer is knowingly killing numerous pods on a daily basis so how is my one polyp any different from your pods? ............sure

please.....how naive can you be????


i guess my point is if your worried about the one little animal( whos half plant btw) then your in the wrong hobby to begin with everything we do is a risk to an animal or do you disagree?

have you never lost a fish?

just adding the fish to your tank was a unnecessary risk and really YOU were the one who put the risk on this ANIMAL .....in all reality how dare YOU take a risk like that on another animal huh???

like the guy who says its a sin to kennel a dog but its ok to own one in a 5oo sq ft apartment lol

people like you i really have to laugh at , your to mighty to see what the general public does as nothing but different then what you do , yet you do the same as anyone else but see it from a different view

experiments like these could or could not change your world , doesnt matter who does the test results are results.

i have pics of polyps on a microscopic level , wev'e tested with all kinds of factors and stresses so i go beyond buying a pretty animal and hoping for the best with its life , i grow and propogate the same animal that you kill time and time again , so yes i purposely killed 4 polyps just like the guy who purposely kills off an aiptasia anemone but the dif is i didnt do it to make things pretty in my eyes i did it to better understand the animal and its limits.

the ocean is %95 unmapped......are you going to do it?






so yes i feel your pain but in fact i think your no better than me



thanks for your nickle but i have enough loose change lol


cheers

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by Patwa

I saw the reaction on RC when you posted it and I have to agree with the latter sentiments there that what you're doing lacks any remorse and is essentially careless.

geesh i had to go check RC to see what you meant and then realized only two other people besides you though it was wrong lol which i would have expected

so just so we are clear on this its 10 people to your 3(incuding you) who disagreed lol but yeah a big "reaction " for sure.

keep an eye out for my next experiment ok?


thanks!!

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