We CAN SAY NO to Smart Meters **SPREAD THE WORD**

[sphelps]

Originally Posted by Reef Pilot

if I understand that chart in the next post? Good thing some of us have really thick skulls or our brains would be all mush!!

The point of the chart is to show these smart meters put less or about the same RF in the environment as many other devices we use every day, and not that cell phones will fry our brains. I believe they run at 8% of allowable limit so there really is no threat. Once again internet roomers and some inaccurate you-tube videos has got a bunch of people in a big fuss over nothing. If people are that concerned about it they should wrap their heads in aluminum foil as I heard that's suppose to help.

[Veng68]

Originally Posted by sphelps

The point of the chart is to show these smart meters put less or about the same RF in the environment as many other devices we use every day, and not that cell phones will fry our brains. I believe they run at 8% of allowable limit so there really is no threat. Once again internet roomers and some inaccurate you-tube videos has got a bunch of people in a big fuss over nothing. If people are that concerned about it they should wrap their heads in aluminum foil as I heard that's suppose to help.

Actually the hat may hurt.......... my nephew was getting poor reception from his router so he searched on the net and made a "Dish" made of tin foil....... and it really help with the reception

Cheers,
Vic

[Reef Pilot]

Originally Posted by sphelps

Once again internet roomers and some inaccurate you-tube videos has got a bunch of people in a big fuss over nothing.

You wonder if they actually believe this stuff, or are they just trolling to have sport with all the "thick skulls" and "sheep" out there, who can't think for themselves, or don't want to.

It's like the pipeline stuff. They've got "some" people believing that is safer to ship oil and gasoline by trucks and trains than a brand new state of the art pipeline. And instead bring more oil across from our great friends in Iran and Saudi Arabia.

[mike31154]

Originally Posted by TimT

Also anyone with an RF reader can tell when someone is home so they know when to rob you blind.

The company(Corix) that does the smart meter installs are not using licensed electricians. There is already cases of houses burning down due to an improper install of a smart meter.

How exactly does someone with an RF meter know when you're home. The average thief is unlikely to bother with something like an RF reader anyhow. All they need to do is watch your house & see how you come & go. I'd wager 90% of homes these days are unoccupied during a working day, kids are in school, both parents working to make the mortgage. A professional thief has many other ways of scoping out your home. Only had one break-in incident at my house so far & that was a crackhead who tried unsuccessfully to break my car window in the carport late in the evening. Pretty unlikely that a drug addict looking for quick cash is going to use an RF device either. They're just going to smash & grab whatever is close when they're freaking. Could be your car, could be your house. Smart meter isn't going to influence that scenario whatsoever. Fewer grow ops will probably also mean fewer crackheads.

You don't need to be a licensed electrian to install an electrical meter anyhow. Have you ever seen a meter removed from it's socket? It's as easy as replacing a light bulb once the lead seal (tamper indicator wire) is broken & the ring collar is opened.

[cwatkins]

Originally Posted by TimT

The issue of Smart Meters is that they needlessly emit a lot of RF radiation which kills plants and drives away the birds, bats and the bees.

Has anyone seriously looked at one of those spectrum charts from the FCC or Industry Canada lately? God, every last slice of wireless spectrum is full of RF transmitting to all our homes from space and terrestrial transmitters! I'd be more worried about the cell phone tower down the street (which I'm not) or an Al-Jazeera TV satellite than smart meters!

This is from 2003: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/p...3-allochrt.pdf

Originally Posted by TimT

Also anyone with an RF reader can tell when someone is home so they know when to rob you blind.

Because it's much easier to do this than scope out your house for 10 minutes to see if anyone is home or not? And besides, all of us reefers will have no problem if this is true since all our halide's and pumps will surely make the thieves think someone is home!

Originally Posted by TimT

They will drive anyone nuts who has extreme electrical/magnetic sensitivity. If going under high voltage lines bothers you a smart meter will drive you nuts.

That's why these people can move out into the boonies, or even: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...dio_Quiet_Zone

(Ok, a little harsh. But these people have bigger worries right now, like Wi-fi and Cell phones which are MUCH stronger signals).

Originally Posted by TimT

There is also other technology that can be used to get the info... ethernet over the neutral line. Similar to X10 control systems.

Ya, but Hydro chose the cheaper wireless method instead. Otherwise all the transformers on the grid would need upgrading to allow the communication to pass through. Much like Shaw/Rogers had to do back in the early 2000's to allow two way communication on their cable network.

Originally Posted by TimT

The company(Corix) that does the smart meter installs are not using licensed electricians. There is already cases of houses burning down due to an improper install of a smart meter.

Perfect, save some more $$! I would assume they are well trained individuals otherwise Worksafe BC wouldn't be letting them do the work. I'd be more concerned about all the home owners of the province installing their own power outlets or changing out light switches.

[pinhead]

This is a perfect example of the internet making an expert out of everyone. I wouldn't go to my dentist for medical advice or a fresh water fish store for information about corals. They may be educated and even be considered experts but they are not experts in this field.

I will put much more weight on recomendations from the World Health Orgrganization than the Citizens for Safe Technology whose director Una St.Clair-Moniz has never published a scientific paper and is part of the " holistic parents hub" who seem to be into naturopathy, homeopathy anti-vaccine and other fallacies.

[rayjay]

The only complaint I have with them is the added cost of the electricity.
If I move all use to the night period, except for fridge/freezer etc... I will be paying more than I am now.
However, I don't want to eat only at night or watch TV or listen to the radio while I'm sleeping.
February Rates
7pm until 7am $.062/kWh
11am until 5pm $.092/kWh
7am until 11am and 5pm until 7pm $.108/kWh
Old Rates
$.068 for first 600kWh and $.079 over 600kWh
Interim time of use bill (lower intro rate) for 2094kWh was $161.54 and would have cost $158.85 under the old billing, and with the February 1 full rate for TOU it would be up to $206.76 which ends up being a 30% increase.

[mike31154]

Originally Posted by rayjay

The only complaint I have with them is the added cost of the electricity.
If I move all use to the night period, except for fridge/freezer etc... I will be paying more than I am now.
However, I don't want to eat only at night or watch TV or listen to the radio while I'm sleeping.
February Rates
7pm until 7am $.062/kWh
11am until 5pm $.092/kWh
7am until 11am and 5pm until 7pm $.108/kWh
Old Rates
$.068 for first 600kWh and $.079 over 600kWh
Interim time of use bill (lower intro rate) for 2094kWh was $161.54 and would have cost $158.85 under the old billing, and with the February 1 full rate for TOU it would be up to $206.76 which ends up being a 30% increase.

That's good info. BC Hydro has been quite adamant that they have no plans for time of day based billing. However, once the meters are in, the door is open & I'm hoping they'll be truer to their word than some of the politicians holding office these days.

[cwatkins]

Originally Posted by rayjay

The only complaint I have with them is the added cost of the electricity.
If I move all use to the night period, except for fridge/freezer etc... I will be paying more than I am now.
However, I don't want to eat only at night or watch TV or listen to the radio while I'm sleeping.

Fortunately they're not talking about time of day billing for us here in BC. Now that's not to say after the next election, the next government (or same government) could change their minds.

But I think because BC isn't a very big importer of electricity, then we don't have to worry too much about peak demands as we can handle the provincial load pretty well. Especially with new generation capacity coming online over the next little while (Mica and Revelstoke upgrades, IPP's, northern wind farm, etc). And in the next 5 to 10 years, we can potentially see Site C coming online.

[msjboy]

Folks,

Forget about health issues of the RF.... it's all about money.

As you may know, BC Hydro wanted to raise rates 7% /yr over the next few years. However, this may not be necessary as the new meters is a cash cow in itself:

I think BC Hydro is now making a killing just from the exact rates as opposed to an approximate rate from the old meters. I know this as my monthly statements are way up from last years just as the previous post from the other reefer!!

If you just want to save money, forget about health, just say "no" to the new meters when they come knocking on your down... you actually can! My inlaws said no install and they did not put it in (.. they will eventually have to put it in but when, I can't say ). Probably, BC Hyrdo wants to be the good guy and say, no 7% rate hikes.

msjboy