Vancouver Fans

[fishytime]

Originally Posted by ScubaSteve

Ya, this is pretty brutal. I have to echo what was said earlier: the people who were rioting we not from Vancouver and they came prepared to riot. They were not hockey fans. It was premeditated (who brings a riot mask to a f-ing hockey game?) and they were instigating others... Then the rest of the idiots were just standing there taking pictures so that they can show their friends and look cool.

My girlfriend and I had to go through downtown last night to check on her home and business to make sure they were OK as the neighbors on both sides had their windows smashed and the parkade next door was set on fire. It was bizarre. Vancouver felt like a war zone. I have seen that in Bangkok and Cambodia, but my own home? Really? And the worst part was that there were people showing up for the "festivities" from Surrey and other out lying areas (they were showing up at 9pm or later, no Canucks jerseys, ready to fight). I started telling people to go home and they started threatening us. These people didn't even watch the game.

The city is less disappointed by the loss of the game than we are about this crap. I am particularly disappointed to come on here and find people saying "this is exactly the reason why I couldn't bring myself to cheer for Van". Really? You knew about this riot before hand? You hate Vancouver because of it's fans? (when the Bruins fans were cheering 'Canucks Suck' during the Boston games... Classy).

This was not a hockey riot, they used the game as an excuse. People need to pull their heads put of their butts and get off the high horse and see that this is not representative of the city or of hockey. Trash talk the rioters, not the city or the Canucks.

your right.....there must be a band of traveling rioters that go from city to city, to sporting events looking to incite a riot.....their work is well documented http://www.highestfive.com/fitness/t...-hockey-riots/ .......funny how they missed Calgary in 2004 when they had a whole month of every other day partying on the streets by 50,000 people that they could have taken advantage of.......who are you kidding, besides yourself?.....I know its just a small percentage of fans that were involved in the crap, but that fact remains that certain cities have had a history for this kind of BS and it irritates me when it happens again......it gives a black eye to the sport of hockey and to Canada as whole......

[Slick Fork]

Originally Posted by gobytron

And what do you figure would have happened to any one of those thousands on the sidelines who tried to intervene?

think you would have?

You don't have to intervene, but standing and cheering the morons on is just throwing fuel on the fire. Anyone with decency should have left or be actively providing assistance to the police. Anyone identified in the mob should be presented with a bill for the clean-up. If only one person is identified, bill em for the whole thing... I bet that would start getting names produced.

[lorenz0]

There is a group on facebook right now trying to identify people from pictures

[Slick Fork]

Originally Posted by gobytron

Really?
and how much of this incident had to do with how badly the VPD have villified themselves to the general population...

Robert Djikansky, Ian Bush, random beatings of innocent newspaper delivery men, blatant kicks to the face of those safely in custody and not resisting; their lack of accountability makes it an easy choice for a rowled up crowd.

The anarchists know exactly how to engage the police so that it's immediately us vs them.

In Vancouver, we already have a massive distrust for them and the job of the senseless few is just made easier.

Whatever the history the VPD has with its citizens is moot. Criminal behaviour is criminal behaviour period and should not be excused.

How does robbery, assault, and arson translate into an acceptable social statement? Just because you don't like somebody or something isn't an excuse to behave like this. They destroyed the property of innocent people and companies, those caught should be forced to pay the entire bill.

[trilinearmipmap]

In my view we have a think veneer of civilization, you do not have to dig very deep to find barbaric behaviour.

The best way to avoid a repeat of this is to aggressively go after the scum with video evidence, prosecution, and civil suits for damages. Post rewards for people to I.D. the filth that did this. Publicize the scumbags names and photos after they are found guilty.

[fishoholic]

Originally Posted by Slick Fork

You don't have to intervene, but standing and cheering the morons on is just throwing fuel on the fire. Anyone with decency should have left or be actively providing assistance to the police. Anyone identified in the mob should be presented with a bill for the clean-up. If only one person is identified, bill em for the whole thing... I bet that would start getting names produced.

Originally Posted by trilinearmipmap

In my view we have a think veneer of civilization, you do not have to dig very deep to find barbaric behaviour.

The best way to avoid a repeat of this is to aggressively go after the scum with video evidence, prosecution, and civil suits for damages. Post rewards for people to I.D. the filth that did this. Publicize the scumbags names and photos after they are found guilty.

I couldn't agree more.

[mark]

Originally Posted by trilinearmipmap

The best way to avoid a repeat of this is to aggressively go after the scum with video evidence, prosecution, and civil suits for damages. Post rewards for people to I.D. the filth that did this. Publicize the scumbags names and photos after they are found guilty.

waste of time and effort charging the rioters, just sue them for damages

[silentcivilian]

By the way I want to say way to go facebook. Guy lighting the police car on fire. His name is Nathan Kotylak, and he was ratted out by his ex girlfriend when she saw the picture and arrested already.

Awesome!

[Slick Fork]

Originally Posted by silentcivilian

By the way I want to say way to go facebook. Guy lighting the police car on fire. His name is Nathan Kotylak, and he was ratted out by his ex girlfriend when she saw the picture and arrested already.

Awesome!

I saw that too, stupid kid had a scholarship to U of C and a shot at the olympic water polo team. What a dumb way to flush all that down the drain. That's providing it was actually him and not just someone who looked like him.

[gobytron]

Originally Posted by Slick Fork

Whatever the history the VPD has with its citizens is moot. Criminal behaviour is criminal behaviour period and should not be excused.

How does robbery, assault, and arson translate into an acceptable social statement? Just because you don't like somebody or something isn't an excuse to behave like this. They destroyed the property of innocent people and companies, those caught should be forced to pay the entire bill.

It's not moot.
it's exactly why you had people making the mistake of siding with the rioters rather than with their city.

It not an excuse, a reason for is not always an excuse.
just a logical explanation for an illogical act.