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[RuGlu6]

Originally Posted by jon.smolders

So how come we don't have a problem with betta's in tiny little cups? Or goldfish fed as feederfish? Or kept in tiny fishbowls where the water is never changed? Or goldfish or bettas used a centre pieces in weddings.. afterwhich half are taken home to die, while the other half are flushed? Or the goldfish put in blenders or swallowed whole by 12 year old kids?

I'm not saying it's right... but advocating for the rights of maybe a few thousand goldfish sold in China is very low on my priority list compared to human injustices such as genocides, abuse of women, children, and the elderly, and religious persecution (which is quite a problem in China, BTW).

I appreciate the link to the article.... thats what Canreef is for, but lets not start lobbying for laws against crualty to goldfish, or we may end up with laws that restrict our hobby! Imagine going to jail for because you "neglected" your tank for too long and a fish died...

Just my two cents...

Yes exactly my point, how is what we do different? we are keepeing fish in small glass container with half dirty water, fish didnt have a say or a chance.
It has been taken out of its invironment and kept in prison for life.
Hipocrasy is North american way of life. what we do is ok because we think is ok. but not what they do is not ok lets bomb them and that is our way of helping others.

[Megalodon]

Originally Posted by jon.smolders

So how come we don't have a problem with betta's in tiny little cups? Or goldfish fed as feederfish? Or kept in tiny fishbowls where the water is never changed? Or goldfish or bettas used a centre pieces in weddings.. afterwhich half are taken home to die, while the other half are flushed? Or the goldfish put in blenders or swallowed whole by 12 year old kids?

We don't have a problem with these things, eh? Speak for yourself.

[adamsarmywife]

Without stepping on anyone's toes
I don't think it makes it any more acceptable for the Chinese people to allow horrible things like this to happen just because we allow equally stupid things like betas in a cup to happen here.

I think this is disgusting, and people who are caught selling such things should be kept in a closet for a week with some nutrient rich air to see how it feels.

[MarkoD]

this is stupid for many reasons.

and you cant even clean the algae once it starts growing a few days later

[mws]

It's not any different to me then bettas in a plastic cups we look at in everystore in Canada, or puppies in a glass boxes in petland.
And yes China has a bigger problem them a goldfish in a key chain, just search Chinese live animals market or dogs for meat/fur trade.
How about a bonsai kitty? Fully operated business in New York City with website and phone#.And apparently there is a thing like appropriate Bonsai Kitticulture permits from the U.S. government from reading there website.http://www.ding.net/bonsaikitten/bkmethod.html

[paddyob]

Originally Posted by don.ald

remember, what is acceptable in china's culture may not be acceptable in another. most lfs in canada have no problem selling a goldfish in a goldfish bowl.

if this was a betta keychain would that be ok?
small plastic cup or keychain?

Agree. We may not like it, but attacking a culture is sick itself.

Look at some of the tanks on here... lol. They may as well be keychains as well.

[Mrfish55]

Would make a great anytime snack, just boil for 2 min. And have instant poached fish or turtle soup. Mmmmmmmmm turtle soup. Makes a great appetizer to go with a Panda Bear steak.

[Myka]

Originally Posted by don.ald

remember, what is acceptable in china's culture may not be acceptable in another. most lfs in canada have no problem selling a goldfish in a goldfish bowl.

if this was a betta keychain would that be ok?
small plastic cup or keychain?

Good post.

[sphelps]

I don't get it, who wants a fish key chain? Can you feed the fish or change it's water?? Or is it actually permanently sealed meaning you'll be carrying around a dead fish with your keys? I think this problem will solve itself after about say 3 days....

[Megalodon]

Originally Posted by reeferious

not too sure about cruelty side of entombing live animal inside keychains. look at all those oysters, clams and other live edibles placed live on ice in supermarkets waiting for human consumption. think their potential lifespan is no more than 4 to 5 days.l

Oysters and clams don't have brains so they can't experience pain or mystery. It's not right to do that to animals that can but at least it's for food.