390G Zoanthid & SPS Reef System

[reefermadness]

Awesome Levi....I see you got a sunset monti now....well actually 2? How is the other monti looking?

love the chalice too.....good stuff.

[Stones]

I just finished reading through your entire build thread and I tip my hat to you sir! Phenomenal looking tank and you've got some serious mad photo skills.

I've got a question for you though that I didn't see come up in your build thread anywhere. Are you dosing anything to get such good growth out of your zoas and palys? I see you are running a vertex calcium reactor but are you adding anything else or running some sort of ULNS in addition? Do you regularily feed your zoas/palys any sort of of food like reef roids or reef chilli?

I've been trying to add zoas and palys to my strictly SPS reef for over a year now and they never seem to do well. Always start slowly shrivelling up and withering away shortly after adding them. Any tips would be appreciated seeing as you have a very similar setup to what I'd like to achieve.

[Zoaelite]

Originally Posted by fishytime

is that cuz it roared all over your walls and carpets?

No my Hydor decided to roar all over my walls & carpet, the Vertex is a beastie because of it's amazing skimming ability. Pulls out some pretty nasty crud and has worked like a top since day one.

Originally Posted by lastlight

I think your pics are looking a lot better under the radions. Not quite so psychedelic but truer and very vibrant. When I'm ready for zoas I need to pay you a visit I think =)

Thanks Brett, people have said it's more difficult to take pictures under LED's but everything is coming out much crisper. Barley any PS required, still learning this camera & the program though!

Only difference in shooting is the vertex has a parabolic intensity arch while the halides had linear intensity. With the halides I set my camera settings and shot, with the Radions I need to set different settings for shooting at different times (Relative intensity will be brighter for noon than say 6pm and the color spectrum will be entirely different). Regardless I'm loving them, can't wait to upgrade the rear and dispose of my out dated PC actinics.

Originally Posted by reefermadness

Awesome Levi....I see you got a sunset monti now....well actually 2? How is the other monti looking?

love the chalice too.....good stuff.

Funny how things work as I have been looking for an actual sunset frag for a couple years now, I stumbled upon two of them within a month of each other and couldn't resist @ the prices they were going for. It's hard to say for the other one, Devan and I have had a few discussions about it as the base continues to turn more orange while the polyps become more neon green.

Would be the first time I have ever seen a "Sunset" come in from a wild shipment so the odds are leaning towards a supernatural or something similar. I will snag some photos for you next time I'm over @ the house.

[Zoaelite]

Originally Posted by Stones

I just finished reading through your entire build thread and I tip my hat to you sir! Phenomenal looking tank and you've got some serious mad photo skills.

I've got a question for you though that I didn't see come up in your build thread anywhere. Are you dosing anything to get such good growth out of your zoas and palys? I see you are running a vertex calcium reactor but are you adding anything else or running some sort of ULNS in addition? Do you regularily feed your zoas/palys any sort of of food like reef roids or reef chilli?

I've been trying to add zoas and palys to my strictly SPS reef for over a year now and they never seem to do well. Always start slowly shrivelling up and withering away shortly after adding them. Any tips would be appreciated seeing as you have a very similar setup to what I'd like to achieve.

Well first off, thank you for the encouraging compliment always nice to see others enjoy what I'm passionate about. Species from the order Zoantharia have a REALLY variable rep when it comes to husbandry, some people can put them in a 10g with practically no equipment or time and have massive success while others spend $1000's of dollars and countless hours and still fail completely. Would be nice to see the general "Newbie" coral description tossed aside as there is a great deal of variability in keeping them.

While many believe these corals rely heavily on the symbiotic relationship between them and their photosynthetic dinoflagelletic zooxanthellae I tend to disagree. Although this relationship provides a great deal of the energy required for homeostasis and is essential for the corals well being the pathway lacks fundamental elements required for life. Mainly photosynthesis lacks the ability to form essential proteins and lipids, these compounds are biotic in nature and must be taken in to sustain life.

Being a big believer in evolution and identified the fact that every species from the order Zoantharia has an oral slit, at least one siphonoglyph, prey capture tentacles with nematocytes and a coelenteron leads me strongly in the direction that these animals do in fact eat.

So what's on the dinner table for our little Cnidarian friends?

I have experimented with a wide variety of food sources and had variable success through out. If I can sum up my experience it's that an extremely diverse food is required as the order itself is extremely diverse. Larger zoanthids such as any of the "People Eaters" (Commonly mislabeled as People eater "Palys" the species is actually Zoanthus gigantus), similar larger morphs and many of the true paly species will readily accept large meaty food such as Brine shrimp. Smaller morphs will not accept meaty food and require smaller particulate, in general foods like reef roids, reef chili, oyster eggs and DOM in solid fish waste works wonders.

I usually feed the corals nightly around 9:00-10:00 pm when the lights are just going out, fish are fed at the same time to keep them away from the polyps. Due to the size of the tank I tend to broadcast feed my mixture and keep my pumps on feed mode for around 30 minutes. One untrue statement I always come across is that zoanthids prefer "Dirty water" (That is water that has high levels of Nitrate, Nitrate and Phosphate), my system runs @ zero NO3/ NO2 with near zero levels of phosphate. A system that has clean water with a high level of organic particulate and the ability to remove excess dissolved nutrients is key to success here.

The major problem you will personally run into is that SPS and Zoanthids have very different care requirements, you need to fine tune your system to be as low nutrient as possible while maintaining a high level of feeding. Your SPS will also benefit from increased food matter in the water but will respond to excess nutrients by browning out. Finding this pivotal balance is tricky but once it's achieved it makes for one stellar looking tank!

Hope that helps,
Levi

[Delphinus]

"You should feed them. Try to keep your water quality under control too." I dunno, did I miss anything?

[Zoaelite]

Originally Posted by Delphinus

"You should feed them. Try to keep your water quality under control too." I dunno, did I miss anything?

1337 paraphrasing skillz as always my friend haha! Guess I could of shortened my essay but I'm procrastinating on physics homework.

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[BlueTang<3]

I have learned lots about the zoa/palys in the last few months. I had never had success with any until recently, I am now keeping around 32 different varieties in my frags tank of my zeo vit tank so have extremly clean water. I have them about 3 inches from the top of the tank running a vertex illumina 200 light and feeding heavy with acan plus, ora frozen food and dried and frozen cyclopes and they have exploded.

[Stones]

Thanks Levi, I suspected you were likely feeding or dosing the tank with something to get such good growth out of your zoas and palys. I'll have to start feeding my zoas to see if I can duplicate your results or at the very least, keep my zoa frags from slowly withering away.

[Zoaelite]

Originally Posted by Stones

Thanks Levi, I suspected you were likely feeding or dosing the tank with something to get such good growth out of your zoas and palys. I'll have to start feeding my zoas to see if I can duplicate your results or at the very least, keep my zoa frags from slowly withering away.

Your very welcome, please keep me updated with the results and what you decide to feed them. Always nice to compare and contrast what works well for others.

Originally Posted by BlueTang<3

I have learned lots about the zoa/palys in the last few months. I had never had success with any until recently, I am now keeping around 32 different varieties in my frags tank of my zeo vit tank so have extremly clean water. I have them about 3 inches from the top of the tank running a vertex illumina 200 light and feeding heavy with acan plus, ora frozen food and dried and frozen cyclopes and they have exploded.

Good to hear your laving good long term results with LED's so far Wes, where are you picking up the ORA frozen food if you don't mind me asking?
Levi

[BlueTang<3]

Originally Posted by zoaElite

Your very welcome, please keep me updated with the results and what you decide to feed them. Always nice to compare and contrast what works well for others.



Good to hear your laving good long term results with LED's so far Wes, where are you picking up the ORA frozen food if you don't mind me asking?
Levi

My bad its it ova nutramar I have been buying it at marina aquaria. It has quality marine all over the package so I assume any Lfs that gets quality livestock would have access to it. http://www.nutramar.com/ova.html