the bday giveth, and the bday taketh away...

[Mak]

Originally Posted by reef_raf

To brighten things up here, EmB just made her 2000th post!! Wow

Go..Go..Go Em, it's your Birthday!!! We gonna sip Skimate like it's your Birthday!!!

[Mak]

Originally Posted by smokinreefer

perhaps from now on, after the fish is acclimated, i should (and when i say i should, i really mean we all should)use a container and scoop the fish out of the acclimating pail, submerge that into the tank and release it, as to avoid anymore air contact than necessary, is that what everyone should be doing?

Actually that is what I do. I also let them leave the container when they are ready to, which sometimes isn't exactly right away .

[sumpfinfishe]

Shao and fellow reefers,

I by no means consider myself an expepert reefer as 6 years is just a "tip of the reef" in our great hobby. I simply want to express my opinion on the use of nets and how long a fish should be out of water.

I have in the past used a net from time to time, however I try to use a container of some sort whenever possible. The reason being, fish live in water and we humans live on land-it's as simple as that. If transfering fish by means of water is less stressful than the use of nets, then that's what we should all try to practice.

As I said in my previous reply, I had read an article in the Sept. issue of Reefkeeping online. This article shed some new light on some other reasons, why we as reefers should try to avoid the use of nets whenever possible. I have pasted the link here for anyone who has not read that article: http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-0...ture/index.htm

I also stated that my reply was by no means a personal attack on Shoa, which is also true. I know Shao is a dedicated, careing reefer.

I guess what I'm trying to point out, is that I learned a few things last month when I read that article . Nets are not just cruel and stressful to fish, but they can also inflict injuries that can cause life threatening illnesses or cause permanent damage to a fishes body. After reading this article, it gave me some new thoughts and ideas in which I can use in the future to lighten the amount of stress that I will put on a fish when introducing into my reef

cheers, Rich

[smokinreefer]

no worries rich, i didnt take offense to any of the comments.
it is so true that you learn new things all the time in this hobby, and that helps us all become better hobbyists.

i try to take everything in stride and respect and consider other peoples comments and suggestions, i suppose had this info been presented in another thread, as oppossed to being stated in my fishies obituary i may have been more receptive. though i know it is not a personal attack, but from the outside looking in,(even though this was not the intension) it does insinuate that my use of the net may be what contributed to their deaths. (which i still dont believe, but of course that is only my opinion, from my experience)

yes, i will try not to use a net in the future when applicable, as i do have the fishes best interest in mind when i take them home.

do i think i wll have better survival rate on new fish from now, definitely, because i will be more diligent in my selection of fish before purchasing, not necessarily because of a netless fish transfer.

happy reefing! and fish keeping!

[sumpfinfishe]

Oh Yeah, and congrats to EmB for her 2000 post!

cheers, Rich

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by smokinreefer

it does insinuate that my use of the net may be what contributed to their deaths. (which i still dont believe, but of course that is only my opinion, from my experience)

Shao, many times I have had fish out of water lying on a wet towel for periods of up to 10 minutes. None ever died from it or even looked upset 30 seconds after being put back in the tank. Your fish certainly didn't die from being netted.
I do agree though that nets are more likely to cause injury, and I do try to use bags or containers to transfer most of my fish.

[Bob I]

Originally Posted by reef_raf

Shao, many times I have had fish out of water lying on a wet towel for periods of up to 10 minutes. None ever died from it or even looked upset 30 seconds after being put back in the tank. Your fish certainly didn't die from being netted.
I do agree though that nets are more likely to cause injury, and I do try to use bags or containers to transfer most of my fish.

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by rcipema

Bob, I think you need some ZZZ's

[Bob I]

Remember the person who has reached the lofty plateau of 2000 posts? That was reached mainly by publishing smilies. Thought I would try the same.

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by rcipema

Remember the person who has reached the lofty plateau of 2000 posts? That was reached mainly by publishing smilies. Thought I would try the same.