Grow Op?

[sphelps]

Originally Posted by hillbillyreefer

Yes they do. You are under no obligation to even open the door for them without a warrant. Identify yourself and have the conversation through the door until they have a warrant. Too many people roll over when the police come around.

I'm not anti police, I just don't like government minions intruding into my life.

Unless you have something to hide you'd be pretty foolish not to let them in. All they'll do is take a quick look around and that'll be the end of it. If you cause them trouble and grief they'll come back with a bad attitude and a license to do what ever they want in your house. They'll also think you're hiding something so they'll search for it which could result in substantial damage that they may not be liable for. Not worth the risk, just show them your tank, we all like to show them off anyway

[mark]

then there's have your tank up for a year, get the cop visits out of the way, then setup the grow op in the basement.

[Magma]

Originally Posted by hillbillyreefer

Yes they do. You are under no obligation to even open the door for them without a warrant. Identify yourself and have the conversation through the door until they have a warrant. Too many people roll over when the police come around. I'm a law abiding citizen and expect to be treated as such. The problems caused by nosy neighbours with cell phones infuriate me. Imagine how many real calls the police can't get to because they are dealing with bogus calls made by idiots.

I'm not anti police, I just don't like government minions intruding into my life for no reason.

Wrong, Police may enter a home, or vehicle if they have probably case to suspect something is going on. To many people have this false idea that cops cant do anything without a warrent (thank you hollywood) when in fact if you were pulled over by the cops and they suspected drugs in the car, guess what your sitting there while they go through your car no warrent needed, same thing with a home, if you open the door to the cops and a big cloud of smoke comes out the door guess what they can walk right in.

That being said....anything they find is only grounds for you to be taken away they wont be able to have charges stick to you untill they have a warrent to go back and search the house for evidence.

Yes I know this from experiance, cops walked right into a house party because they could see from the doorway what they thought looked like a bong (it was a coloured vase with no flowers in it) and then they explained how they can do that. Hollywood has screwed up what we the citizens think our rights our because lets face it most of the movies we watch are from the USA not Canada Same thing when you ask a cop for his badge number he only has to give you either his Name (first or last doesnt have to be both) OR his badge number.

[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by Magma

Wrong, Police may enter a home, or vehicle if they have probably case to suspect something is going on. To many people have this false idea that cops cant do anything without a warrent (thank you hollywood) when in fact if you were pulled over by the cops and they suspected drugs in the car, guess what your sitting there while they go through your car no warrent needed, same thing with a home, if you open the door to the cops and a big cloud of smoke comes out the door guess what they can walk right in.

That being said....anything they find is only grounds for you to be taken away they wont be able to have charges stick to you untill they have a warrent to go back and search the house for evidence.

Yes I know this from experiance, cops walked right into a house party because they could see from the doorway what they thought looked like a bong (it was a coloured vase with no flowers in it) and then they explained how they can do that. Hollywood has screwed up what we the citizens think our rights our because lets face it most of the movies we watch are from the USA not Canada Same thing when you ask a cop for his badge number he only has to give you either his Name (first or last doesnt have to be both) OR his badge number.

You can deny them entry and then they have to petition a JP or judge to get them a warrant. Unless they have specifically witnessed a crime in progress then they can do whatever they want within reason. The within reason part will come up and be decided during the trial.

Information for search warrant
Allows police to search a building.
487. (1) A justice who is satisfied by information on oath in Form 1 that there are reasonable grounds to believe that there is in a building, receptacle or place

(a) anything on or in respect of which any offence against this Act or any other Act of Parliament has been or is suspected to have been committed,

(b) anything that there are reasonable grounds to believe will afford evidence with respect to the commission of an offence, or will reveal the whereabouts of a person who is believed to have committed an offence, against this Act or any other Act of Parliament,

(c) anything that there are reasonable grounds to believe is intended to be used for the purpose of committing any offence against the person for which a person may be arrested without warrant, or

(c.1) any offence-related property,

may at any time issue a warrant authorizing a peace officer or a public officer who has been appointed or designated to administer or enforce a federal or provincial law and whose duties include the enforcement of this Act or any other Act of Parliament and who is named in the warrant

(d) to search the building, receptacle or place for any such thing and to seize it, and

(e) subject to any other Act of Parliament, to, as soon as practicable, bring the thing seized before, or make a report in respect thereof to, the justice or some other justice for the same territorial division in accordance with section 489.1.

http://everything2.com/title/Crimina...ure+and+Powers

I guess I'm a poor Canadian. I don't trust law enforcement or the court system. Check out the firearms act and you'll see the slippery slope that has been embarked upon in Canada. The stuff they are getting away with in there sooner or later will be used by the state in other areas of Canadian's lives. As Canadians we need to start saying no to infringements on our privacy and rights.

[ShwaFish]

I had the cops come to my apartment, with 12ish reptile lights for torts and chameleons plus my tank and a huge amount of carnivorous plants. Was actually a huge hassle cause it was shortly after the animal bylaws were passed. I had nothing restricted but didn't stop them from making me go through every animal and annoying calls/ paperwork

[gobytron]

Originally Posted by Magma

Wrong, Police may enter a home, or vehicle if they have probably case to suspect something is going on. To many people have this false idea that cops cant do anything without a warrent (thank you hollywood) when in fact if you were pulled over by the cops and they suspected drugs in the car, guess what your sitting there while they go through your car no warrent needed, same thing with a home, if you open the door to the cops and a big cloud of smoke comes out the door guess what they can walk right in.

That being said....anything they find is only grounds for you to be taken away they wont be able to have charges stick to you untill they have a warrent to go back and search the house for evidence.

Yes I know this from experiance, cops walked right into a house party because they could see from the doorway what they thought looked like a bong (it was a coloured vase with no flowers in it) and then they explained how they can do that. Hollywood has screwed up what we the citizens think our rights our because lets face it most of the movies we watch are from the USA not Canada Same thing when you ask a cop for his badge number he only has to give you either his Name (first or last doesnt have to be both) OR his badge number.

PFFFFT....
cops must love you...lol

[Magma]

Originally Posted by gobytron

PFFFFT....
cops must love you...lol

been in my fair share of bar fights that ended with police being dicks Like when they showed up in undercover cloths and in the middle of a fight say "im sergant so and so" that counts as an introduction and after that they dont need to repeat it...

[gobytron]

do your dd and be aware of your civil liberties.

trial and error is not the way to learn them.

[Wanderer]

Always hilarious!

Between my gecko room and my aquariums (4) i have had a few inquiries from the cops. i usually show them around. twice they have contacted me for help with setting up a tank for themselves or their family

[BMW Rider]

Having been around a few grow ops over the years as a firefighter, (they start a lot of fires), I can say with some certainty that if the cops show up at your door to "check for a grow op", they don't really suspect it is and are just following up on a complaint.

When it is a real grow op, they do not enter the property until they have secured all warrants to ensure the case is not tossed on a technicality. They will use the fact that we have seen whatever it is that indicates it is a grow op to secure those warrants. Many times when we show up for the fire, the cops are right there to advise us that the property is a probable grow op so that we can take precautions in dealing with the situation. They all ready know about it, but are still gathering evidence to make the bust. If your running a grow op and your worried about being busted, be more wary of the firefighters, we have greater authority to enter a property under emergency circumstances than the cops do. We can even make them stay out