PENDING SPS shipment for all you hard core collectors..

[reefermadness]

This is rediculous. I have no special interest in this one way or another. I dont know the back story (im not on canreef all the time) and all Im getting is the run around.

1)It is simple. Are these frags coming from ORA/Tyree directly or indirectly (frags of corals originally coming from ORA/Tyree)?

2)If so how is it done?

Either tell me that you won't/can't answer these question (which is better then getting the run around). Or if they are legal like you say answer the question honestly.

You know my only interst in this is to figure out how to bring in these frags legally from the states.

If you want you can PM me, cause I feel like im the only one left out on a secret.

[Oceanic]

Originally Posted by reefermadness

This is rediculous. I have no special interest in this one way or another. I dont know the back story (im not on canreef all the time) and all Im getting is the run around.

1)It is simple. Are these frags coming from ORA/Tyree directly or indirectly (frags of corals originally coming from ORA/Tyree)?

2)If so how is it done?

Either tell me that you won't/can't answer these question (which is better then getting the run around). Or if they are legal like you say answer the question honestly.

You know my only interst in this is to figure out how to bring in these frags legally from the states.

If you want you can PM me, cause I feel like im the only one left out on a secret.

I understand where you are coming from and don't feel bad because it appears people are attacking you; however, this has been discussed more time than I can even count. The fact is that nobody is going to tell you the secret because it is a "trade" secret. If it were that easy then everyone would be doing it.

[Zoaelite]

Originally Posted by Oceanic

I understand where you are coming from and don't feel bad because it appears people are attacking you; however, this has been discussed more time than I can even count. The fact is that nobody is going to tell you the secret because it is a "trade" secret. If it were that easy then everyone would be doing it.

Bingo!

It's like going onto the zeovit forum and demanding that they tell everyone the exact formula of their products.

[reefermadness]

Originally Posted by Oceanic

I understand where you are coming from and don't feel bad because it appears people are attacking you; however, this has been discussed more time than I can even count. The fact is that nobody is going to tell you the secret because it is a "trade" secret. If it were that easy then everyone would be doing it.

If its a trade secret how come nobody else in the trade knows the "secret"?

I understand if you found a legal loop hole and don't want to divulge but then at least answer that these are indeed ORA/Tyree corals.... Why have you not done that?

[don.ald]

"pedigree's for dogs cost $1000's of dollars and involve serious channels and paperwork."

cool, you sell dogs too paul? any pics?

oh wait. they're not from puppy farms are they?

[Gooly001]

I take random corals and put names to them, especially one's that people recognize, so that I can charge more money for them. So far it's working.

Thanks but I somehow I don't think you'll be wanting to buy my corals. Too bad.

Paul

[ElGuappo]

Originally Posted by OceanicCorals-Paul-

I take random corals and put names to them, especially one's that people recognize, so that I can charge more money for them. So far it's working.

Thanks but I somehow I don't think you'll be wanting to buy my corals. Too bad.

Paul

well i have been following the last few threads out of curiosity more than anything and of all the posts this one caught my eye more than any other... from a consumers point of view...

this seems like a pretty shady buisiness tactic... ya its great if you find someone willing to pay this mark up on a coral.... so you are taking corals that "LOOK" like the high end, high demand corals and give them their name and up the price regardless of what your actual cost is on these pieces !?!?

in all honesty i was considering an order until i read this post....
good luck with the gouging........
when one of my favy lfs's get a deal on coral so do i!!!!!!!!!!

[marie]

Originally Posted by ElGuappo

well i have been following the last few threads out of curiosity more than anything and of all the posts this one caught my eye more than any other... from a consumers point of view...

this seems like a pretty shady buisiness tactic... ya its great if you find someone willing to pay this mark up on a coral.... so you are taking corals that "LOOK" like the high end, high demand corals and give them their name and up the price regardless of what your actual cost is on these pieces !?!?

in all honesty i was considering an order until i read this post....
good luck with the gouging........
when one of my favy lfs's get a deal on coral so do i!!!!!!!!!!

ElGuappo, Paul's being sarcastic because he's getting tired of being accused....If you don't like the price then don't buy the corals..... It's only worth what someone will pay for it

[Gooly001]

I find it very amusing that everyone who's been chiming in and challenging me tend to say: "I have no specific interest whatsoever". Yet they keep on at it.

SO if you don't care, and obviously you have no intentions of buying my corals because unless I give you Steve Tyree's phone number or ORA's farmer's contact and tell you how I get my corals will you let it alone.

This is not gonna happen

You like my corals via pics and the plagerized name (cause I have not originality) that I use on them or....you don't. If you don't please don't buy from me, I'd hate to have to send you my copy cat corals cause the ocean is full of them.

Thanks, I hope this will finally clarify my stance on this. This will be the absolute last time I will comment on this. (at least until the next flame comes around again).

Have a great one.

Paul

[reefermadness]

Originally Posted by OceanicCorals-Paul-

Thanks, I hope this will finally clarify my stance on this. Paul

You have cleared up absolutely nothing. All you have done is dance around and change the subject. All I have asked is few simple and honest questions.

When I say I have no interest in the subject I'm referring to the fact that I have no financial or personal stake (im a simple aquarist). You sir have a financial stake and most of the people eating pop corn or sticking up for you have a personal stake because they like to buy these corals and don't care how you acquire them.

My only interest in the subject is perhaps moral or truth seeking. In all honesty I don't even think the law concerning CITES re-exportation that denies ORA/Tyree (or anyone else) the ability to ship coral fragments into Canada is a even a good one. I believe it should be legal and possilbe....but the fact remains ORA does not ship coral fragments to Canada for these reasons.

My biggest moral dilemma comes from the fact that you are not being truthful. Also I believe all stores should be on a level playing field. I don't find it fair that one store could quite possibly be breaking the law to be financially rewarded while others stores choose to follow the rules at a disadvantage.

The fact that you have not answered a few simple question speaks volumes to the fact that you are hiding something.