Help coral problem

[mohammadali]

Hi my frog spawn shrink all the way in
and now my neon candy cane got all of this grey things all over it

water salinity is 1.24

water temperature 79F

nitrate is 10 - 20 ppm

PH 7.4 idk how to get the PH to 8.2

nitrite 5.0 -10 ppm

nitrite 0 ppm

ammonia 0 pmm

here is the pic

[ScubaSteve]

Your pH is extremely low and that to me seems to be the big issue, aside from the high nitrates. Start with a few large water changes and then pick up some buffer from JL to start correcting your pH. Go talk to Jon or Derek at JL and they'll explain how it works.

[mrhasan]

Originally Posted by ScubaSteve

Your pH is extremely low and that to me seems to be the big issue, aside from the high nitrates. Start with a few large water changes and then pick up some buffer from JL to start correcting your pH. Go talk to Jon or Derek at JL and they'll explain how it works.

+1. I wouldn't even call it extremely low. Its in danger level. Maybe you don't have enough ventilation in your room. The dkH might be off too.

[FragIt Dan]

I don't think that pH reading is accurate. Unless your top off water is low pH and your aren't letting it stand, or your dKh is way low, that pH is not really possible (pH equilibrium point is almost entirely controlled by ambient CO2). If you are dumping top off water in all at once you might want to check the pH of it first as it may be shocking your tank, or even better yet let it stand for a day before you add it. Your nitrate is a bit of a concern and you list nitrite both at 0 and at 5-10ppm... if it is not zero this is cause for concern. Water changes are a quick way out, but why are they there in the first place?

[mohammadali]

I have marinium liouid KH

[mohammadali]

i added some KH buffer now the ph is 8.0
i took out the rbta, couple frags
still some livestock is in the main tank such as cleaner shrimp gsp and snails

should i take out the other livestock ?

[Spyd]

Originally Posted by FragIt Dan

I don't think that pH reading is accurate. Unless your top off water is low pH and your aren't letting it stand, or your dKh is way low, that pH is not really possible (pH equilibrium point is almost entirely controlled by ambient CO2). If you are dumping top off water in all at once you might want to check the pH of it first as it may be shocking your tank, or even better yet let it stand for a day before you add it. Your nitrate is a bit of a concern and you list nitrite both at 0 and at 5-10ppm... if it is not zero this is cause for concern. Water changes are a quick way out, but why are they there in the first place?

I agree. Your nitrates are high which is never a good thing. Also, do you have an ALK test kit at all? May want to test that as well just to make sure your tank is in the right range. Low ph tells me that your alk levels might be quite low as well.

[jords]

This is in regards to I think the 1st reply on this thread (about pH buffers)...
IMO, I wouldn't use them. It causes huge swings in the pH levels of the tank, which isn't good. Clearly, something is happening to drop the pH levels. Adding a pH buffer to the tank will yes, raise your pH, but then it's just going to drop again. I'd look at your rock (base and live), is it cooked+cured? Test the pH of your top-off water (which should be RO/DI anyway). Also has your pH always been that low? Look at your salt mix. Is the brand "Top Fin" (from Petsmart). If it is, just throw it out now - that stuff is nothing but problems in my experience. Avoid at all costs the use of pH buffers - you shouldn't raise the pH more than 0.2 in 24 hours anyway, so it's going to take you a long time to bring it up - and if something is happening to lower it anyway, you're just going to create big swings in the pH, which is terrible for tanks (especially for your RBTA). Also, do some big water changes (depending on your live rock situation and length of time you've had this set up). I'd be doing like 20% every 2 days or so to bring those nitrates/nitrites down. And as mentioned above, test the alkalinity.

[mohammadali]

i dont have liverock in my main i put all the liverock in breeding tank till the percula lay eggs
ill bring all the liverock in main tank

[ScubaSteve]

Originally Posted by jords

This is in regards to I think the 1st reply on this thread (about pH buffers)...
IMO, I wouldn't use them. It causes huge swings in the pH levels of the tank, which isn't good. Clearly, something is happening to drop the pH levels. Adding a pH buffer to the tank will yes, raise your pH, but then it's just going to drop again. I'd look at your rock (base and live), is it cooked+cured? Test the pH of your top-off water (which should be RO/DI anyway). Also has your pH always been that low? Look at your salt mix. Is the brand "Top Fin" (from Petsmart). If it is, just throw it out now - that stuff is nothing but problems in my experience. Avoid at all costs the use of pH buffers - you shouldn't raise the pH more than 0.2 in 24 hours anyway, so it's going to take you a long time to bring it up - and if something is happening to lower it anyway, you're just going to create big swings in the pH, which is terrible for tanks (especially for your RBTA). Also, do some big water changes (depending on your live rock situation and length of time you've had this set up). I'd be doing like 20% every 2 days or so to bring those nitrates/nitrites down. And as mentioned above, test the alkalinity.

Sorry rag on you but I've got to disagree with you on the buffers, man. While I personally don't normally advocate buffers as there are much more effective ways to stabilize pH, this is a situation where it might be necessary to pull levels back into the safe zone. pH 7.4 is about the point where corals start to drop like flies. A buffer can cause a big swing... if you dump a whole bunch in. If you take it slow (ie. 0.2/ day) you'll be fine (hence why I suggested talking to Jon as he's a pro with buffers). Once you've reached the pH the buffer works at and only need to make small additions everyday, they actually work amazingly well for holding the pH steady; especially for someone who has no other way of controlling the calc, alk and pH (kalkwasser, 2-part, calc reactor, etc.). My assessment of the situation tells me that suggesting the more complicated means of fixing pH isn't going to do a lot of good for this reefkeeper.

I agree with the water changes. Lots of them. You have no liverock in there to denitrify and that alone is probably a major contributor to the goings on of that tank. If you've been doing fairly frequent water changes, they're probably not doing a whole lot for your pH, in which case you should consider some way or rectifying the problem... a buffer would be the bare minimum. Either it's a crappy salt or you've got a more fundamental issue at hand (ie. poor ventilation of the room, low oxygen exchange at the water surface, etc.)