Canreef Black List of Members who are Flakes

[gregzz4]

This is THE place to rant about members who have let you down through purchases/sales/trades.

Keep it polite and correct
If you are willing to name a member who’s left you feeling less than satisfied, keep the details correct.
If you find your name here, this is the place to redeem yourself!!
Nothing wrong with an explanation why you let the other member down, and heck, you could even apologize here if you feel you’d like to.

So, if a Canreef member has let you down when you have done everything you could to meet them, and they still didn't show up/contact you, this is where you put their name ....

My story;
[Removed at Greg's request] Bad member to deal with
Contacted me while I was selling frags. Asked me to text them. I texted them, then after no response I PMd them back. Nothing.
A week later I received a PM 'Hey I'm ready'" Texted them, took 2 days, then took a week to describe all frags that are in the original post, including pics. Questions kept coming ...
Set up a meet Wed, confirmed, never contacted me until many hours after the agreed time.
Set up a Sat meet for between 2 and 3, never showed I waited 'till almost 4 then I texted can't wait any longer, no call to apologize, nothing.
Was 2 weeks before I started this thread and still no contact.
Sent a PM a week after starting this thread and still nothing

I’d love to post the member’s username here but value my property.

[gregzz4]

Lets start a list of all the Canreef Jerks who have let us down ....

[Bblinks]

This thread should’ve been here long ago for identification of B.C. douchebag reefers. I have had my fair share of buyers that are flakes. Canreef should have a rating system on buy and sell experience. Pulling a no show when you have made arrangements is the most disrespectful thing imo. If you commit, then be a person of your word and follow through.

Couple of things that really grinds my gears are....I am coming from Richmond I am gonna be late, 30 minutes later, oh traffic is heavy but omw, 1 hr later, gonna be another 30 minutes, where are you coming from, Richmond, Virginia 🤦‍♂️ leave early! Or Hey, “how much is this and how much is that”, well, it’s exactly what I posted it online and you agreed on it. “But can I give you 10 dollars less...gtfo of my house.
I ain’t got time for those people. Go pound sand if you want to waste my time.
Okay I am done lol
Thanks Greg

[hunggi74]

This thread should’ve been here long ago for identification of B.C. douchebag reefers. I have had my fair share of buyers that are flakes. Canreef should have a rating system on buy and sell experience. Pulling a no show when you have made arrangements is the most disrespectful thing imo. If you commit, then be a person of your word and follow through.

Couple of things that really grinds my gears are....I am coming from Richmond I am gonna be late, 30 minutes later, oh traffic is heavy but omw, 1 hr later, gonna be another 30 minutes, where are you coming from, Richmond, Virginia 🤦‍♂️ leave early! Or Hey, “how much is this and how much is that”, well, it’s exactly what I posted it online and you agreed on it. “But can I give you 10 dollars less...gtfo of my house.
I ain’t got time for those people. Go pound sand if you want to waste my time.
Okay I am done lol
Thanks Greg

OP clearly states they want Canreef names! Spit em out!!

[Bblinks]

OP clearly states they want Canreef names! Spit em out!!

Greg’s bad too, I had a frag of ssc for him for almost a year and he never picked up. The worst part is it was his birthday present, FREE! Freaked guy. Lol

[hunggi74]

You could also make a case for the opposite. Some sellers can be a pain as well. Sometimes they’re not home, their frags aren’t what they say they are...etc

[tang daddy]

I don’t have any names to drop but love the ones that say they’ll take it, but then say can you hold for 2 weeks till I get paid...
Or the ones that say I’ll take it, I can hear the sound in my head whispering...sure you will as soon as money hits my hand!

I am sure if you’ve sold stuff on here then you realize that there are a few flakes, but there are also lots of people that show up on time and get what they said they were going to get.

I hope this thread can help everyone save some time and headache.

[gregzz4]

Greg’s bad too, I had a frag of ssc for him for almost a year and he never picked up. The worst part is it was his birthday present, FREE! Freaked guy. Lol:mrgreen:

[DKoKoMan]

I think this is long overdue and agree wholeheartedly that this needs to happen. It weeds out the “losers” who waste time. It is one thing to message back and forth regarding the frags for Sale. But once you commit to a scheduled day and time... don’t bail. Many people have families etc. and give people the benefit of the doubt for tardiness. The whole no show, “going dark” not replying to text messages is disrespectful at the least.

It’s nice to see this setup, hopefully it stays respectful and it will help as a presecreening tool for Canreef sellers. Nice initiative Greg.

[Dash]

I'm pretty new at this but I've already experienced this as a frustrating aspect of buying/selling. I don't feel comfortable naming names, but I have to ask, why is common courtesy a rare commodity these days, especially when communication is so easy, just a few clicks. I've lost count of how many times people say they're interested, ask a bunch of questions, say they'll be in touch, then you never hear from them again. Or, on the other side, I've messaged hoping to buy something, and get radio silence. If you change your mind about buying, or don't have it to sell anymore, just respond so I know. It just takes 3 seconds of your time not to be rude. Anyway, that's my rant of the day.

[Bblinks]

I'm pretty new at this but I've already experienced this as a frustrating aspect of buying/selling. I don't feel comfortable naming names, but I have to ask, why is common courtesy a rare commodity these days, especially when communication is so easy, just a few clicks. I've lost count of how many times people say they're interested, ask a bunch of questions, say they'll be in touch, then you never hear from them again. Or, on the other side, I've messaged hoping to buy something, and get radio silence. If you change your mind about buying, or don't have it to sell anymore, just respond so I know. It just takes 3 seconds of your time not to be rude. Anyway, that's my rant of the day.

Agreed.

This thread as Greg stated is not a witch hunt but just to keep people accountable for their actions.

All things considered, I have met many many stand up reefers that I consider my close friends now. I will continue on trading, buy and sell to other reefers and if they were my time, my experience will make its way onto this thread.

[regent2009]

i love SSC.
some says i will take all but pls wait till my payday then no show.
Rich, my birthday is Sat and somehow i will b in CQ at that time.

[jorjef]

More facts, less filler. You guys are being like a bunch of nattering old women at a garage sale.. just say'in.

[gmann]

experiences between members may not be the same.

This one person wasted my time, but im sure he/ she did not flake on others based on posts ive seen.

[darb]

I have seen finger pointing both ways and it undoubtedly happens from both ends. But ultimately you are running a "retail sale" and it comes with both the bad and the good, not always one or the other.

I generally have given up selling used stuff, it isn't worth the hassle in the end for a few bucks. Maybe when I get enough stuff, I will have a Saturday sale and get rid of it all at once.

BC Aquaria used to have a rating system in place and I think that they dropped it a long time ago; ultimately it just comes down to he said, she said, bla, bla, bla and ultimately situations do arise unexpectedly.

Alternatives could include, if you have enough livestock,selling wholesale to the LFS, setting fixed times only or a group monthly meet to swap/sell goods at a common location would be handy too.

[jorjef]

:laluot_23: focus people focus!! Is Greg the only one that knows of someone?. It's not a 'hey, please share your thoughts' thread!!.

[Wheelman76]

:laluot_23: focus people focus!! Is Greg the only one that knows of someone?. It's not a 'hey, please share your thoughts' thread!!.

Then why are you here “sharing your thoughts” ? No one here asked for your opinion. Why is it everytime you open your mouth , it’s something negative ?

[jorjef]

Oh please, shaming me? Lol priceless.

[Wheelman76]

Oh please, shaming me? Lol priceless.

Shaming ? Little bit hypocritical no ?

Is that not exactly what you were doing in your first two posts ? Telling people to focus , and referring to them as “nattering old women “ ?

Anyhow , we are getting off topic , and I’m done wasting my time with you.

[DKoKoMan]

:nod:

[jorjef]

My point being if you would like to continue by all means continue. I always enjoy a good verbal joist. Yes a bit of kicking some in the shins but just as much trying to squash political correctness and get people to speak up, ya know the point of the thread. You're boring me. Go hug a tree.

[Cujo#31]

Sorry to hijack, much needed. At the least, I 100% agree that we should have some sort of member rating! Reefing is a small circle. Honour and respect should be the fisrst order of business. I have had many, many great experiences. But again, some idiots too. Like the time I called a sweet chunk of pectinia from a shutdown. We played “text tag” for a few days trying to align our schedules, then silence. He finally replies “sorry, sold, forgot who I had sold it to” ....right buddy. Forget what his name was because I re-named his contact “black listed” on my phone.
Most reefers I meet are top shelf individuals. Perhaps those of you that are less than honest or are unaware that people value you for your word and honour first, don’t forget....reefing is a very small circle. This isn’t Craig’s List.
I have driven an hour out of my way, and overpaid for a frag that I was no longer interested in, just to avoid being bundled up as a flake. So if you are an idiot....a low baller......or a flake......small world. We talk. We know who you are

[tang daddy]

Sorry to hijack, much needed. At the least, I 100% agree that we should have some sort of member rating! Reefing is a small circle. Honour and respect should be the fisrst order of business. I have had many, many great experiences. But again, some idiots too. Like the time I called a sweet chunk of pectinia from a shutdown. We played “text tag” for a few days trying to align our schedules, then silence. He finally replies “sorry, sold, forgot who I had sold it to” ....right buddy. Forget what his name was because I re-named his contact “black listed” on my phone.
Most reefers I meet are top shelf individuals. Perhaps those of you that are less than honest or are unaware that people value you for your word and honour first, don’t forget....reefing is a very small circle. This isn’t Craig’s List.
I have driven an hour out of my way, and overpaid for a frag that I was no longer interested in, just to avoid being bundled up as a flake. So if you are an idiot....a low baller......or a flake......small world. We talk. We know who you are

Agreed Get the black list out.... I only name people on my phone I hate Cheap F**** and no show on my phone... lucky they never text me to get stuff.

[Myka]

More facts, less filler. You guys are being like a bunch of nattering old women at a garage sale.. just say'in.:lol: Pretty much! You guys aren't doing it right.

I see an expiry date if it carries on like this. People will get all grouchy (like is already happening). I don't support the building of negative threads like this. Not much point of these random complaints - there IS a Random Thought Thread already. ;)

[gregzz4]

I'd be perfectly happy seeing this thread cleaned up/restarted. I appreciate all the support, but there is now too much clutter and no utilization going on.

[Myka]

Make a new thread...I'll rename this one the complaint thread haha.

[gregzz4]

Make a new thread...I'll rename this one the complaint thread haha.

OK, sounds good. I'll do it after you rename this one

[Myka]

OK, sounds good. I'll do it after you rename this one

Ok done. I'll edit your first post once you've copy n pasted to the other thread, plus I'll delete our jibba jabba.

[Myka]

Well this thread died fast... :lol:

[gregzz4]

Well this thread died fast... :lol:
Yup. It's lost it's appeal for me too.

I hoped it would become a place for outed members to come redeem themselves with an explanation and maybe even an apology.

[WarDog]

Yup. It's lost it's appeal for me too.

I hoped it would become a place for outed members to come redeem themselves with an explanation and maybe even an apology.

Obviously you were born in the 60's or 70's because no one apologizes, accepts responsibility or admits they even contributed to a problem any more.

[Bblinks]

Obviously you were born in the 60's or 70's because no one apologizes, accepts responsibility or admits they even contributed to a problem any more.

Almost made it to idgaf......almost

[gregzz4]

Honestly, I was hoping the majority of us were going to start holding the rest accountable for their actions, but I appear to be the only one willing to publicly name someone.

This thread has done nothing but make me a target for the one I called out. He still has the ability at any time to chime in and clear the air ... but it's been over 2 weeks since I was left waiting around, so I doubt it.

Hell, I'd even still entertain a visit if he'd come out and apologize. Maybe we'd become friends such as the many others I've met here over the years.
I have a list of names/numbers over 180 strong of all the members I've dealt with since joining Canreef.

Anyway, whine away people ... at least I tried to do something about it.

[WarDog]

I've honestly never had a problem with any Canreef member I've sold something to. Everyone has been super decent.

That being said.... I am aware of a list... just not sure if anyone has the cajonas to publish it.

[Myka]

I've honestly never had a problem with any Canreef member I've sold something to. Everyone has been super decent.

That being said.... I am aware of a list... just not sure if anyone has the cajonas to publish it.I've only ever had trouble with one member. I don't remember who it was. So it obviously didn't affect me much. :lol:

[Frogger]

I do not think publishing a list of Canreef members who are flaky is a good idea. There is always two sides to every story.

However a list of good members who pay and show up when they are supposed to would be a good idea that I could get behind.

[acepumping]

I've honestly never had a problem with any Canreef member I've sold something to. Everyone has been super decent.

That being said.... I am aware of a list... just not sure if anyone has the cajonas to publish it.

WHAT LIST!! 😂😂

[Animal-Chin]

Well i just want to chime in as a warning to canreefers, if you make a deal to buy frags have the seller send you pictures of the frags not the colony they are from! I drove an hour out to meet a guy after setting up a buying of 4 "high end" sps frags. It took a while to get the deal done, took an hour to drive to the meeting place, he was 45 minutes late so I was already in a mood when he showed up and I couldn't believe the frags he brought!

He promised an inch of this coral, a multi branch 2 inches of this other coral, what he brought was 4 bags of tiny nubs, not one was what he said he's bring.

I was ****ed but I was so tired of this deal I just bought them and left...lol

2 lived, 2 were dead in a couple of days as they were fresh cut nibs in crazy glue on a plug.

That was my worst deal on canreef and I decided to take a hiatus of buying from unknown sellers since then.

Sorry rant over, I've also had some nice coral from a bunch of you...:lol:

[Bblinks]

I do not think publishing a list of Canreef members who are flaky is a good idea. There is always two sides to every story.

However a list of good members who pay and show up when they are supposed to would be a good idea that I could get behind.

Finger pointing isn't the purpose here, just want to keep everyone accountable for their commitment!

My recent encounters has been mostly pleasant and to be honest, that goes for most cases.

You, my good man has been great to deal with. I would highly recommend.

[Bblinks]

Well i just want to chime in as a warning to canreefers, if you make a deal to buy frags have the seller send you pictures of the frags not the colony they are from! I drove an hour out to meet a guy after setting up a buying of 4 "high end" sps frags. It took a while to get the deal done, took an hour to drive to the meeting place, he was 45 minutes late so I was already in a mood when he showed up and I couldn't believe the frags he brought!

He promised an inch of this coral, a multi branch 2 inches of this other coral, what he brought was 4 bags of tiny nubs, not one was what he said he's bring.

I was ****ed but I was so tired of this deal I just bought them and left...lol

2 lived, 2 were dead in a couple of days as they were fresh cut nibs in crazy glue on a plug.

That was my worst deal on canreef and I decided to take a hiatus of buying from unknown sellers since then.

Sorry rant over, I've also had some nice coral from a bunch of you...:lol:

No apology needed.....Please name that seller so maybe he can reply and work something out for you.

[straightrazorguy]

I'm with Greg here; I believe people using Canreef to trade owe each other the courtesy of being honest, honouring commitments, and being on time. This applies to both sellers and buyers. I have had some horrific experiences too, dozens of no-shows, etc. I do believe we should name names. Ebay has a rating system, Amazon rates vendors, perhaps Canreef should too?...

[Frogger]

I'm with Greg here; I believe people using Canreef to trade owe each other the courtesy of being honest, honouring commitments, and being on time. This applies to both sellers and buyers. I have had some horrific experiences too, dozens of no-shows, etc. I do believe we should name names. Ebay has a rating system, Amazon rates vendors, perhaps Canreef should too?...

Its a little more complicated then just having a rating system. It has to be managed. Who is going to do that. Members would need to have the ability to dispute a bad rating. There are always 2 sides to every story. It is just a system asking to be abused.

What constitutes a bad rating, not showing up on time, a misunderstanding between buyer, seller, a coral or fish dying a week after it is purchased. How about loosing colour. There is also the legal issue. Canreef would be setting themselves up to get sued if someone gets a bad rating and it hurts their business (selling corals).

Or Canreef could potentially loose sponsors/advertisers. What about fake ratings as what happens at Amazon or Ebay, You never see a rating less than 97% positive from Ebay.

Remember Ebay and Amazon make money off of each transaction to help pay the cost of managing their rating system. Look at sites like Craigslist they don't have a rating system, nor does Kijiji or the local papers classified section. I would compare what we do here closer to what these classified organizations are providing.

If you feel you have really been burned by another Canreef member you could always privately approach a moderator to discuss possible banning of that member if what they did was really bad (like robbing you when you go to pick up corals)

I would rate the vast majority of my buying selling experiences on Canreef as positive. Sure there are a few flakes out there that say they are going to purchase a coral or tell you they are coming at a certain time but that is to be expected. If you want to have an outlet to sell your stuff you need to put up with this.

[Ryan]

Well this thread derailed and went down hill fast.

Threads are a poor way to do it anyway, you would have to read through the entire thing to find out John Doe is a bad guy.

If you have issues just post a message to their profile to give everyone else a heads up.

[Frogger]

He promised an inch of this coral, a multi branch 2 inches of this other coral, what he brought was 4 bags of tiny nubs, not one was what he said he's bring.


You didn't have to buy the frags from him.

If you give him a bad rating for not selling what you wanted, whats to stop him from giving you a bad rating for expecting too much. If you didn't buy the corals (which is your prerogative) whats to stop him from giving you a bad rating for not buying his corals after he made cuttings and drove out to meet you. Either way nothing is really served to the reefing community by allowing us to name names. This kind of thing can get ugly real fast.

Did you contact him afterwards to let him know the corals didn't survive and give him an opportunity to fix the problem or at least offer you a discount on replacements?

The best option is not to buy any more corals from him and tell your friends. But not on an open forum.

[Myka]

I totally agree with you guys (Frogger and Ryan). I don't like negative threads like this. I don't think it does the community any good. So far there are no names, which I think is a good thing. At least it's bringing some life to the forums though. Haha!

[Bblinks]

I totally agree with you guys (Frogger and Ryan). I don't like negative threads like this. I don't think it does the community any good. So far there are no names, which I think is a good thing. At least it's bringing some life to the forums though. Haha!

What about me.....you don't agree with my comments....:neutral:

[albert_dao]

Geez, didn't realize this was such a big deal. Now y'all got me feeling bad for stiffing all those escorts.

[gregzz4]

gregzz4
Complaint - hasn't picked up free frag
Status - pending
Current title - Shirker

Albert Dao
Complaint - fails to pay
Status - still being chased down
Current title - Stiffler

[Myka]

Geez, didn't realize this was such a big deal. Now y'all got me feeling bad for stiffing all those escorts.

Interesting choice of adverb. :mrgreen:

What about me.....you don't agree with my comments....:neutral:

No, they are pretty much polar opposite of what Ryan and Frogger said. :lol: ...and I don't know what "idgaf" is, so I can't comment on that. :nerd:

[albert_dao]

Interesting choice of adverb. :mrgreen:




... Don't make me out to be some sorta pervert. Shame on you.

[Myka]

... Don't make me out to be some sorta pervert. Shame on you.:lol:

[gregzz4]

Thanks for the edit Mindy

[Frogger]

Just when I go off on how we shouldn't name names and for the most part Canreefer's are good I get burned.

On Sunday made a gentleman's agreement with another member to buy a pump at the price he wanted. Did not question his price or try to get it lower. We agreed that I would come by some time this week and pick it up. He did not have a problem with that as I have purchased from him before.

Called him today and he said sorry sold the pump and his system to a friend because he offered him a great deal.

It is not that big a deal because I didn't really need the pump and only wanted it for a backup. It is the principle. Maybe its just me but if I agree to sell something to someone at a set price and someone comes along and offers me better price I would not ever sell what I agreed to. Seems like the right thing to do.

Still do not think we should name names I will just not likely purchase from that member again.

[DKoKoMan]

Ouch :eek: some people are only out to make a buck and for the extra $10 will disregard any previous handshake deals. It’s sad that a persons “word” is not held up.

[tang daddy]

Geez, didn't realize this was such a big deal. Now y'all got me feeling bad for stiffing all those escorts.

Stiffing esky’s shame on you Albert....time is money bro...

[Madreefer]

Well Greg my excuse is "I'm just a dick":lol:

[gregzz4]

Well Greg my excuse is "I'm just a dick":lol:
No you're not. Nothing wrong with telling it how it is. Some of us don't pull our punches.
As long as you do as you say you will this thread doesn't apply to you.