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12-19-2013, 05:52 PM
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TM balling webinar synopsis
Many thanks to those that joined our webinar.
One of the highly important topics that came up was the question of imbalances and as the slide show was clear to show, once explained it makes so much sense. I will try my best to put some of that info here.
If anyone highlights an inaccuracy to what I have written please let me know and I will happily address that in the thread openly.
Hearing about the relationship between the ions of Calcium chloride and sodium Bi-carbonate was fascinating especially how the coral polyp takes in the calcium ion from the calcium chloride element and the carbonate ion from the sodium element and what is left behind is your imbalance.
Left behind is sodium from the Bi-carbonate and chloride from the calcium, these two together of course make sodium chloride, and here lies the imbalance in 3 part, all of a sudden you have extra sodium chloride with no other elements attached to it floating around in your tank, and by doing a water change you are only removing the percentage of that water change of the imbalance.
So if you are dosing 2 or 3 part light systems and rely on water changes alone to address the imbalance you are only removing for example on a 10% water change, 10% of that imbalance.
Now - by adding into the mix Part C the remaining sodium chloride has something to balance it which includes the 70 trace elements
Now of course there is an argument that this system too raises your sodium chloride level, and yes you are right, BUT and here is the defining factor, it is doing it in a balanced format in the same way you would be doing by adding more sea salt to your system, because it is balanced there is no ionic risks, and even the most minimal water change would cater for any salinity rise, however due to being in balance and such a very low level this is not an issue, where as an unbalanced system with just sodium chloride floating about is.
What is an issue however are 3 part or light systems that allow for free amounts of sodium chloride in your system with nothing to balance it allowing for a complete imbalance that can not be addressed wholly by water changes as you only remove the % of water change and as such only remove that % of imbalance.
There is only one way to keep a system in balance when dosing calcium and sodium Bi-carbonate and that is to add in proportion NACL free salt. (Part C)
To make the point clearer, the very first original Sea Salt mix from Tropic marin that still to this day forms the basis of all their salts is a 100% mixture of A B and C of the Tropic Marin Balling system together!
So there is no argument chemistry in itself proves it, if you dose a system with nothing to balance the excess NACL you create an imbalance, and this is where part C comes in which is made up of everythign you find in a sea salt mix including all trace elements without adding additional NACL, hence the term for part C as NACL-FREE sea salt. But lets be clear Part C is not just magnesium as in every other other 3 part system, it is the whole bells and whistles found in sea salt as stated before WITHOUT any NACL component.
This is why Tropic marin balling from the inventor Hans-werner balling is so popular to those that care about doing this 100% right.
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01-02-2014, 03:16 PM
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crap, I know I should have trust the Germans! but I must admit the Vertex looks fancy. 
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01-02-2014, 03:18 PM
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Dont shoot the horse unless its limping, I am sure you will be fine.
I saw them at interzoo, huge boxes and pricey in my opinion, but consumer choice wins as with everything. The GHL is tried tested and ultra reliable, we cant keep them in stock for that reason and at $399 its a no brainer when a cheapy chinese is only about $90 less.
2 year warranty with the GHL also and all spares available and self service.
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01-02-2014, 03:19 PM
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I was looking into getting a Vertex lol, the design look really had me going though. 
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01-02-2014, 03:22 PM
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01-02-2014, 03:25 PM
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I had two of GHL, must admit they never gave me any issues!
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01-02-2014, 03:34 PM
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I am gonna agree I shoulda bought a ghl but I am a succer for fancy things anyhow ill stop derailing the thread.
Should pick up salts next week and then well know how it all works, geting excited to not have to deal with my ca reactor and its leaks
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01-03-2014, 12:15 AM
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The Vertex dosers have been fine since their firmware update a while back. And they have a two year warranty as well  Also, they are the easiest doser to program I have ever used.
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01-04-2014, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron99
The Vertex dosers have been fine since their firmware update a while back. And they have a two year warranty as well  Also, they are the easiest doser to program I have ever used.
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 So you argue about spending on decent salts but buy an expensive doser to dose those cheap salts to run your tank? 
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01-04-2014, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Aqua-Digital
 So you argue about spending on decent salts but buy an expensive doser to dose those cheap salts to run your tank? 
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I argue about whether a "brand" name salt is better or necessary vs. food grade etc. Using "lab grade" salts is, in my opinion, a marketing exercise as most super high purity lab grade chemicals are intended for very precise uses such as analytical chemistry work where a 0.05% deviation in purity can throw your results off. We don't need that level of precision or purity for our uses. If I would be comfortable putting it on or in my own body, I'm comfortable putting it in my tank. I'm not saying the TM salts are bad, just that for some people, other more affordable options also exist and can work just as well. Saving money on salts or other items where I can let's me apply that to the equipment budget for a quality doser or skimmer etc.
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01-04-2014, 08:01 PM
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The saving once you have gone to all that effort will be very little if any and the salt is the lifeblood to your corals, for me not a risk to take.
Yes of course branded salts are a marketing product, just as the salts you buy are also. The name does not put the price up, whats in it and whats gone into it to make it balanced for you does. 
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