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12-19-2013, 05:52 PM
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TM balling webinar synopsis
Many thanks to those that joined our webinar.
One of the highly important topics that came up was the question of imbalances and as the slide show was clear to show, once explained it makes so much sense. I will try my best to put some of that info here.
If anyone highlights an inaccuracy to what I have written please let me know and I will happily address that in the thread openly.
Hearing about the relationship between the ions of Calcium chloride and sodium Bi-carbonate was fascinating especially how the coral polyp takes in the calcium ion from the calcium chloride element and the carbonate ion from the sodium element and what is left behind is your imbalance.
Left behind is sodium from the Bi-carbonate and chloride from the calcium, these two together of course make sodium chloride, and here lies the imbalance in 3 part, all of a sudden you have extra sodium chloride with no other elements attached to it floating around in your tank, and by doing a water change you are only removing the percentage of that water change of the imbalance.
So if you are dosing 2 or 3 part light systems and rely on water changes alone to address the imbalance you are only removing for example on a 10% water change, 10% of that imbalance.
Now - by adding into the mix Part C the remaining sodium chloride has something to balance it which includes the 70 trace elements
Now of course there is an argument that this system too raises your sodium chloride level, and yes you are right, BUT and here is the defining factor, it is doing it in a balanced format in the same way you would be doing by adding more sea salt to your system, because it is balanced there is no ionic risks, and even the most minimal water change would cater for any salinity rise, however due to being in balance and such a very low level this is not an issue, where as an unbalanced system with just sodium chloride floating about is.
What is an issue however are 3 part or light systems that allow for free amounts of sodium chloride in your system with nothing to balance it allowing for a complete imbalance that can not be addressed wholly by water changes as you only remove the % of water change and as such only remove that % of imbalance.
There is only one way to keep a system in balance when dosing calcium and sodium Bi-carbonate and that is to add in proportion NACL free salt. (Part C)
To make the point clearer, the very first original Sea Salt mix from Tropic marin that still to this day forms the basis of all their salts is a 100% mixture of A B and C of the Tropic Marin Balling system together!
So there is no argument chemistry in itself proves it, if you dose a system with nothing to balance the excess NACL you create an imbalance, and this is where part C comes in which is made up of everythign you find in a sea salt mix including all trace elements without adding additional NACL, hence the term for part C as NACL-FREE sea salt. But lets be clear Part C is not just magnesium as in every other other 3 part system, it is the whole bells and whistles found in sea salt as stated before WITHOUT any NACL component.
This is why Tropic marin balling from the inventor Hans-werner balling is so popular to those that care about doing this 100% right.
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03-14-2014, 03:38 AM
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Well a few months in, alk is 7 calcium is 390 but mag is at 1050
Dosing 250 ml of a and b and 500 ml of c and still the mag is dropping like mad. I'll have to check what the mag level is with my new salt. If its low can I bring it bring it up by dosing part c into the water or is there a better supplement to use.
Thanks
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03-14-2014, 03:44 AM
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I might need a new mag test kit see It expired a few years back.
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03-14-2014, 04:12 AM
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I currently have a 8.5 Alk, 405 Ca, and damned if I can't get my Mg above 1300. Even when my Alk was at 7.5, Ca at 420 the Mg was no higher than 1200ish.
I am dosing 170ml Part A, 150ml Part B, two doses of 150ml Part C.
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03-14-2014, 11:50 AM
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Your Mg is perfect for the other ratios why do you want to bring it up further? its exactly where it should be 1280 to 1350 is the magic area.
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03-14-2014, 01:22 PM
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Can I use the part c to bring up te levels in new salt. My mag is 1050 right now alk 7 ca 390. Any tips ? Thanks
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03-14-2014, 01:25 PM
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you can but its an expensive way of doing it, I would suggest using TM bio mag which is specifically designed for such things, once at the correct level you can then change over to part C
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03-14-2014, 02:49 PM
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I've also had to bring up mag manually.
I'm still using reefers best which mag needs to be brought up
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03-14-2014, 03:34 PM
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Yeah might be a reefers best thing but I figured a Half liter a day would maintain it. I may have to change salts sooner than later and pick up bio mag
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03-14-2014, 09:50 PM
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I used 4l of Tailored Aquatics Mg to get mine to come up ~50ml. Michael, I was aiming for 1350 Mg based on what the ™ container said was optimum. If you say 1300 Mg is good well then awesome haahaa!
I am away for 2 weeks so I won't be fidgeting with the system for a while, which is good  Stability promotes success!
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03-16-2014, 03:55 AM
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Thanks for this thread, interesting for sure. Final stages of setting up a new system, in the past I've been a die hard believer in CA reactors because I've had good success. I've been thinking balling system for a while and this may have convinced me to give it a shot. From my research it's a bit more on monthly costs but less hassle then CR. Less hassles equals more free time which is more valuable then a few dollars of savings in this hobby. Wai's in Calgary has also been super helpful in understanding all the benefits of the TM 3 part system.
I'll post some results down the road...
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