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12-19-2013, 05:52 PM
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TM balling webinar synopsis
Many thanks to those that joined our webinar.
One of the highly important topics that came up was the question of imbalances and as the slide show was clear to show, once explained it makes so much sense. I will try my best to put some of that info here.
If anyone highlights an inaccuracy to what I have written please let me know and I will happily address that in the thread openly.
Hearing about the relationship between the ions of Calcium chloride and sodium Bi-carbonate was fascinating especially how the coral polyp takes in the calcium ion from the calcium chloride element and the carbonate ion from the sodium element and what is left behind is your imbalance.
Left behind is sodium from the Bi-carbonate and chloride from the calcium, these two together of course make sodium chloride, and here lies the imbalance in 3 part, all of a sudden you have extra sodium chloride with no other elements attached to it floating around in your tank, and by doing a water change you are only removing the percentage of that water change of the imbalance.
So if you are dosing 2 or 3 part light systems and rely on water changes alone to address the imbalance you are only removing for example on a 10% water change, 10% of that imbalance.
Now - by adding into the mix Part C the remaining sodium chloride has something to balance it which includes the 70 trace elements
Now of course there is an argument that this system too raises your sodium chloride level, and yes you are right, BUT and here is the defining factor, it is doing it in a balanced format in the same way you would be doing by adding more sea salt to your system, because it is balanced there is no ionic risks, and even the most minimal water change would cater for any salinity rise, however due to being in balance and such a very low level this is not an issue, where as an unbalanced system with just sodium chloride floating about is.
What is an issue however are 3 part or light systems that allow for free amounts of sodium chloride in your system with nothing to balance it allowing for a complete imbalance that can not be addressed wholly by water changes as you only remove the % of water change and as such only remove that % of imbalance.
There is only one way to keep a system in balance when dosing calcium and sodium Bi-carbonate and that is to add in proportion NACL free salt. (Part C)
To make the point clearer, the very first original Sea Salt mix from Tropic marin that still to this day forms the basis of all their salts is a 100% mixture of A B and C of the Tropic Marin Balling system together!
So there is no argument chemistry in itself proves it, if you dose a system with nothing to balance the excess NACL you create an imbalance, and this is where part C comes in which is made up of everythign you find in a sea salt mix including all trace elements without adding additional NACL, hence the term for part C as NACL-FREE sea salt. But lets be clear Part C is not just magnesium as in every other other 3 part system, it is the whole bells and whistles found in sea salt as stated before WITHOUT any NACL component.
This is why Tropic marin balling from the inventor Hans-werner balling is so popular to those that care about doing this 100% right.
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01-07-2014, 08:18 PM
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As I have said so many times before if you do nothing else and dont use part A and Part B of TM system, it is extremely important to use part C so the free sodium chloride left behind from the coral consumption of the calcium and carbonate has something to balance to.
without part C the left over sodium and chloride will unbalance your system, the trace elements also in the system are an added benefit.
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01-07-2014, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Aqua-Digital
As I have said so many times before if you do nothing else and dont use part A and Part B of TM system, it is extremely important to use part C so the free sodium chloride left behind from the coral consumption of the calcium and carbonate has something to balance to.
without part C the left over sodium and chloride will unbalance your system, the trace elements also in the system are an added benefit.
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That's assuming you don't "balance" by mixing your water for a change at a slightly lower salinity to compensate for the small amount of added Na and Cl from dosing.
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01-07-2014, 11:05 PM
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Perfect if you do water changes daily then!
All this work Ron just to try and disprove the need for the system? sounds like a hell of a lot of hard work to me. Why not just try it instead of trying to find constant flaws in it. You may just be surprised 
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01-07-2014, 11:35 PM
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If anyone else is really interested in further information before buying please call Lou on
413-367-0101
or email office@tropicmarin-usa.com
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01-07-2014, 11:47 PM
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Uhhh, huh. Deleted a bunch of my points I see. I'll try to call TM and I'm sure I will confirm my thoughts. Too bad you can't seem to handle the discussion and questions about the product you sell.
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01-07-2014, 11:48 PM
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Aaaaaaaaaaaand there goes the door. Lol
Turning of key
Aaaaaaand.....
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01-08-2014, 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Ron99
Uhhh, huh. Deleted a bunch of my points I see. I'll try to call TM and I'm sure I will confirm my thoughts. Too bad you can't seem to handle the discussion and questions about the product you sell.
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Ron your only point on posting on here is because you are anti commercial products you have made that very clear in earlier threads. if you want to do something similar DIY then feel free here is how
get some baking soda
get some tank kill ice melt
get some epsom salts
hope to work out how the hell to balance that and then throw in as many trace elements you feel you dont need.
As I said from the start this system is not patented nor is it rocket science its basic chemistry if you feel you can do better and cheaper (which is your whole point of posting on this thread) Go for it.
But Ron I urge you please let it go you have said your piece we get it you are anti commercial products, so Please do not post here again this thread is not for you!
I want to keep this open for people that are interested in doing balling properly this thread is NOT for you to try and find a DIY recipe to show you are the big guy that can copy it and be successful, if you do then please start your own thread and show the group your amazing results.
This is a sponsors forum for showing and highlighting the products we carry not for someone to continue to prove it can also be done DIY! that we leave for Randy Holmes and Co.
But as above please stop posting here, its not fair on those that have genuine interest. I think I have been very good and polite up to this point of quickly answering all your round and round in circle questions, but i now must apologize and bid you farewell from this thread.
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01-08-2014, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jorjef
Aaaaaaaaaaaand there goes the door. Lol
Turning of key
Aaaaaaand.....
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Nope not fair on those that have real interest in the Tropic marin system. It will stay open 
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01-08-2014, 12:19 AM
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01-08-2014, 12:22 AM
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I asked.a.Q earlier and am.still wondering
If my nsw for water changes is not balanced(as we know that salt values vary) then how am I able to keep my tank balanced. I do weekly wc and could see how it may upset the balance. If one was not concerned about nutrients export than you could for go wc as balling would keep level where they should be.
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