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Old 02-24-2012, 03:39 AM
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Intake is a 2" line & returns are 1" so when running its a even ratio of 2 - 2. The pump is a Dolphin 3600 GPH.
Thanks, what do you mean ratio of 2-2?
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Old 02-24-2012, 03:41 AM
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Thanks, what do you mean ratio of 2-2?
2" intake / 2 - 1" returns
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Oh OK so actually you have a 2-1 ratio relating to area (2^2 : 2x1^2)
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Old 02-24-2012, 03:54 AM
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Actually now that I think of it, it's really a 1-1 ratio related to water volume in & out. I might be totally off here because of an 19 hr day yesterday.
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Yeah, the OM will be over the sump, kind of like that
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Grizz, what was the reasoning behind leaving the closed loop down for the first bit after starting up your tank?
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Actually now that I think of it, it's really a 1-1 ratio related to water volume in & out. I might be totally off here because of an 19 hr day yesterday.
Flow is relative to cross sectional area, so for 2" pipe it is 3.14x1^2= 3.14 vs 1" at 3.14x0.5^2=0.79, but two of them so 1.58. That puts it at 2:1. You would need four 1" return lines to prevent a bottle neck.
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Flow is relative to cross sectional area, so for 2" pipe it is 3.14x1^2= 3.14 vs 1" at 3.14x0.5^2=0.79, but two of them so 1.58. That puts it at 2:1. You would need four 1" return lines to prevent a bottle neck.
Velocity is relative to cross sectional area, in theory flow is the same no matter what but friction losses are greater with higher velocities but there are limits or critical velocities, eg pushing 200GPH though a 6" pipe won't make much difference over a 1/2" pipe. You can also drop the pi/4 when comparing ratios as it's a constant (just square diameters).

Also consider the pump Grizz uses is 1.5" in and out, the intake is one size up which is a good idea considering it's pretty restrictive. The output stays at 1.5" and then splits into two 1" lines at the OM, so at the output side it's pretty much 1-1. So to say there is a bottle neck isn't really correct, if that were true any pump that had a larger suction would have such design flaw.

That said it's still pretty restrictive plumbing which, like I said earlier, is typical with closed loops, especially with smaller tanks also containing a sump below. To say 3600GPH is going through it isn't very accurate, in the mid 2000s is probably more accurate. That combined with the return and flow probably sits pretty close to 20X. Would his LPS suffer if he dropped his turnover to 10X? Not likely.

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Grizz, what was the reasoning behind leaving the closed loop down for the first bit after starting up your tank?
It was blowing my sand all over the place because I didnt have my Loc-line in yet and it gave the sand time to settle a bit.
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Oh, Okay. Makes sense.

Well I think I've got it figured out...everything is ordered up. Thanks for the advice everyone.
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