Montreal passes pit bull ban

[warriorcookie]

Sorry, not sure what I was expecting when I originally posted this. I knew it would get personal, but I thought maybe it could be a constructive conversation and raise some awareness...

It's been going downhill and it's not contributing anything positive to this community, perhaps it should be locked or closed.

[WarDog]

Does anyone know what the current legislation is in Montreal? I heard this ban didn't go through.

[Myka]

Hey guys I don't have the time to go through all this and edit posts at this minute but I will later... So please stop it with the insults or this thread will be closed.

[Myka]

Originally Posted by warriorcookie

Sorry, not sure what I was expecting when I originally posted this. I knew it would get personal, but I thought maybe it could be a constructive conversation and raise some awareness...

It's been going downhill and it's not contributing anything positive to this community, perhaps it should be locked or closed.

Oh, you're funny! "Make work project" I think!

[corallivore]

Saw this the other day and made me think of this thread...

I wonder what would have happened if this mother had left her 3 week old baby alone with 3 Chihuahuas?

She must have trusted these dogs.

http://wgntv.com/2017/05/30/dog-bite...-bulls-police/

Here was another one that happened earlier in May

http://blog.dogsbite.org/2017/05/dog...las-vegas.html

Quoted from the article above

"The family was shocked at the dog's violence -- the dog was considered a good family pet."

"Kamiko is the 513th American killed by a pit bull since we began collecting this data on the Fatal Pit Bull Attacks Archival Record website. Her death also marks the 210th child mauled to death by a pit bull since 1980"

I wonder how many Chihuahua deaths?

Looked online but I guess no one is keeping statistics on that.

[corallivore]

ACTUALLY...
There have been SOME reported Chihuahua attack deaths...

Here is a guy who was "mauled" by Chihuahuas (and some other dogs)...he survived the attack but later committed suicide after some intense shaming from the general public and his friends and family.

http://www.pocho.com/man-mauled-by-c...t-humiliation/

Also, I found some video on news reports of roaming packs of feral Chihuahuas in Arizona back in 2014...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4848543.html

Scary stuff...it doesn't look like any injuries or deaths from them though. Lucky.

When you do search Chihuahua attack, you do come up with a ton of reports of Chihuahua being killed by other dogs...not so much with when you search Pit Bull attack.

[Myka]

I think things would be much different for pit bulls if they were considered classy dogs rather than a lowly breed often owned by uneducated, poor people. If people "in the hood" didn't own pit bulls, rather people in the upper class did then I think there would be a lot more better behaved pit bulls and much fewer pit bull bites. It makes me wonder what would be the next "hood breed"???

[corallivore]

Hopefully Chihuahuas.

Or any breed that isn't a huge danger to society when not properly socialized, trained or understood.

A lot of these attacks are by dogs that are family pets and not owned by whatever stereotype you have in mind with the owner expressing outright surprise after someone dies or is seriously harmed.

I think demographics definitely play a role in the stigma but you can't discount incidents where the attack is wholly unexpected and out of character as far as the dogs caregivers are concerned.

This can happen with any breed to be sure.

The difference is that as a dog originally bred to kill, for fighting, when instincts take over, it can be fatal.

You just can't say that about all breeds.

[Dearth]

Whether you like his methods or not Cesar Milan makes it a habit to promote pit bulls as a gentle and loving dog I've met him personally and had a one on one with him although brief he understands the fears people have of dogs especially the ones deemed as violent (ie. pit bulls, German Shepard, Doberman, st. Bernard's and collies to name a few) but in his opinion no dog is born dangerous but are made dangerous by people and I agree with that whole heartedly

I have been attacked and bitten many times by dogs but I never blamed them I grew up in the country where dogs were everywhere I have the scars to show for it but we knew that dogs were for the most part working dogs first and family pets second and working dogs had to focus disturb that focus and you paid for it up that was time era I grew up in today the world is full of bleeding hearts and people who watch too many reality shows that don't show reality. Please don't blame the dog blame the human

[corallivore]

If you are ceasar milan, you can keep any dog, no matter how dangerous they can be.

His statements that a pit bull are no more likely to attack than any other dog is not backed up by statistics.

Regardless, the point isn't that they are more likely to attack, the point is that when they do, the consequences are far more severe than with most other breeds.

See reports of Chihuahua attacks above, for example.

And since you can't trust humans to be the kind of owner certain dogs require, banning makes sense because of people being shitty owners and advocates spreading this message that they are all great family dogs that were bred to be nanny's...which is factually untrue. They were bred to fight and kill and withstand significant pain once in the red zone.

Here is a quote from Ceasars Website

"But it’s also important for me to help educate people who own pit bulls about their dogs. Pit bulls combine the speed and determination of the terrier side of their ancestry with the strength of the bulldog side.

It is the Terrier determination that causes problems if they fight, because they’ll be oblivious to pain and just refuse to quit. As responsible owners, we should make sure to redirect those traits in healthy ways."

So people who probably shouldn't own any dogs get a pitty or bully of some sort and then someone or some poor pet dies a horrible, horrible death.

Not everyone is Ceasar Milan.

if they were, we wouldn't need to ban anything.