Why balling properly is so important

[Aqua-Digital]

As I said you cna take a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

You say "the proper way" is my opinion, again its not my opinion its simple chemistry, You cant defy that fact. Its NOT an opinion, its natural science.

You are not showing any reason why NOT to do it.

TM Balling as developed by Hans Werner Balling is without argument the correct way to keep up with minerals of you tank. If you feel using a cut down method gains you some benefit over this than go for it. But for those that do believe in doing it properly the CORRECT system is available

I cant argue with someone that feels taking short cuts is the right way

Bottom line until you try it you wont know. You can argue as a non user with every corner but the fact still remains, YOU DONT KNOW.

You also cant argue Hans Werner, if it had no requirement it would not be the biggest selling system in Europe and now catching on fast in the USA. It just took education to get the reasons for doing it right across.

You should have joined the webinar I think your eyes would have been very pleasantly opened. I know more than one that joined the series as against i as you and now are using it.

[reefermadness]

Originally Posted by Aqua-Digital

As I said you cna take a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

You say "the proper way" is my opinion, again its not my opinion its simple chemistry, You cant defy that fact. Its NOT an opinion, its natural science.

You are not showing any reason why NOT to do it.

TM Balling as developed by Hans Werner Balling is without argument the correct way to keep up with minerals of you tank. If you feel using a cut down method gains you some benefit over this than go for it. But for those that do believe in doing it properly the CORRECT system is available

I cant argue with someone that feels taking short cuts is the right way

Bottom line until you try it you wont know. You can argue as a non user with every corner but the fact still remains, YOU DONT KNOW.

You are right, Im not showing any reason NOT to do it. I never stated any and wasnt trying to make a case for that at all. If anything there would be reasons to do it. Im just not sure that it makes enough or any difference.

The only reason I chose to speak up was because of your language and the way you made it seem like you are doing it wrong if you dont do it and that you wont get good results. My experience goes to the contrary of this.

You like metaphors so here is one. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

[Seriak]

Aqua is in the business of selling products. He has made a great sales pitch on why to buy the product he is selling. It's our job to research his pitch against the known facts. Pure and simple. I personally have had great success with 2-part. Would I have better success with Ballling? Maybe, but at this time, it's not worth the added cost.

[Aqua-Digital]

Originally Posted by reefermadness

There is more than one way to skin a cat.

But there is only one way of doing it right, proven science

Ok lets break this down

your corals remove the carbonate and calcium from the 2 part leaving you with "sodium chloride"

so now you have extra sodium chloride in you system an imbalance which cant be balanced by water changes as shown before.

You can keep doing your 2 part nobody is saying you cant but to address the chemical imbalance you need to add the NACL, not any NACL as that does not achieve much but NACL that has all the 70 trace elements.

So keep doing your 2 part, just think about adding Part C to the mix to create the right balance.

I am quite sure that would be very advantageous.

Part C is also not 3 part as sold which adds magnesium only! Part C in the TM original system is everything you find in sea salt but with the sodium chloride removed as you already have that in your system you are trying to balance.

So by adding TM NACL (part C) you create the balance.

Nobody says you have to buy the whole of A and B if you really are so against it, use your own, its the part C that matters

[Aqua-Digital]

Originally Posted by Seriak

Aqua is in the business of selling products. He has made a great sales pitch on why to buy the product he is selling. It's our job to research his pitch against the known facts. Pure and simple. I personally have had great success with 2-part. Would I have better success with Ballling? Maybe, but at this time, it's not worth the added cost.

I appreciate the post, thanks

Think about adding just Part C to your system then thats all you have to do. There is nothing different in TM A and B which is sodium and calcium other than being lab grade pure and certified. People opt to use the whole TM system as they feel more secure knowing it is proven and tested pure. But if thats not a concern then go with TM part C only and add the third stage to your system.

[reeferfulton]

Originally Posted by Aqua-Digital

But there is only one way of doing it right, proven science

statements like this is what starts these arguments. . I wish that this hobby was as black and white as this statement .. Then everyone would have beautiful tanks and we would all be running them exactly the same..

But there is more then one way to skin a cat . and more then one way to have healthy beautiful corals .
I mean the amount of amazing tanks running driveway deicer , baking soda .. And forbid me for saying .. cheapo IO salt I have seen is enough proof for me.

Maybe I to am just tired of the way this product is being marketed. If i have to read another Hans-warner balling is the only right way thread again I may just have to close my account ...

Does a calcium reactor then also not cause an imbalance ? surely there is not all 70 trace elements in that media ..

[don.ald]

If one was to only use part c, how would you measure or test for dose amounts?

[reeferfulton]

Originally Posted by Aqua-Digital

So by adding TM NACL (part C) you create the balance.

furthermore .
Is there any studies done to show whether or not the imbalance actually has any ill effects on coral ? sure , even if the chemical science behind it shows how an imbalance can happen on paper .. Does it really even matter to the coral ?
somehow i doubt it

[Aqua-Digital]

Originally Posted by reeferfulton

Maybe I to am just tired of the way this product is being marketed. If i have to read another Hans-warner balling is the only right way thread again I may just have to close my account ...

Does a calcium reactor then also not cause an imbalance ? surely there is not all 70 trace elements in that media ..

#1 nobody asks anyone to read a thread thats your choice

#2 A calcium reactor do not do anything in a balanced way, you have zero control of anything other than effluent output, this is why balling has become so dominant now.

[Aqua-Digital]

Originally Posted by reeferfulton

furthermore .
Is there any studies done to show whether or not the imbalance actually has any ill effects on coral ? sure , even if the chemical science behind it shows how an imbalance can happen on paper .. Does it really even matter to the coral ?
somehow i doubt it

Yes, this was explained in the webinar and also Lou from Tropic marin can give you the details give him a call 413.367.0101 (ask for Lou) quite a few canreefers have he is happy to talk and will happily share with you even more science than I would admit to know.

Thats another thing with this product the guys that make it are happy to talk to anyone directly.