J&L ?????
 

where did they go? don't see them in Sponsor section.:cry:

This site has very little sponsors 3-4 I think now dropping like flies

What J&L is gone?

Who?

That's cold.

Ya it sucks to see people drop. I always enjoy trying to support the Canadian companies.

JL is still very much in business LOL

They are no longer a sponsor here. This means that people will no longer be able to post links to J&L's website (inc sale ads, which people love to do). They were the longest standing sponsor at Canreef, and it's sad that they have left us. If you'd like to see them back, please go tell them. Tell them that you want to be able to post links to their website! We'd love to have them back!

I've been around here a long time like J&L, to see them pull out is just a sad day in the Canreef World.

I will pass on my feedback for sure.

As if they don't make enough money off of all of us to cover the cost of a sponsership.

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I would think one of us alone more than covers it lol

I think it's hard for business's like our local fish stores to stay afloat these days. I know first hand, I helped out on weekends at a local fish shop years ago it went belly up even with minimum competition, fish-coral market is pretty small on the west coast. But I would guess the biggest factor is all the free advertising you can take advantage of thru social media. Why spend big bucks if you don't need too. Sponsorship is not cheap

A upgrade too this site may also help attract new sponsors and users it's kinda looking old, (no fault of the mods) the layout of sites like r2r is pretty awesome just saying hint hint Titus.

I second the call to a upgrade to this site. It is out of date compared to the forum software readily available and in use on other sites.

I haven't been on the other forums so I'm not sure of the difference in style.

As you folks can see by the dwindling sponsorship dollars, the owner of this site has no interest in upgrading the site or attracting additional revenue.
It is what it is.
It's too bad.

The last talk of upgrading was 3 years ago.
http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/sho...d.php?t=104053

Many sponsors have left since then.
The results speak for themselves.

It's the fight with the drift of users to Facebook. Damn kids these days :)

Facebook is a factor, but I wouldn't characterize Canreef ownership as "proactive"
Competition will always be around.

Ain't this the truth

I think what has happened is that canreef activity has really dropped off, especially by some of the longer term more experienced reefers. When the canreef "executive" decided to crack down on frequent coral sellers and ban all criticism of current sponsors, that put a lot of people off (including me). It was made pretty clear at the time, that sponsors were the priority, not the canreef users. I think that has backfired, and now sponsors are leaving because they can't justify the cost given the lower canreef activity.

I worked in retail my whole career, and it was an obvious given that the customer was always number 1, not the suppliers, sponsors or anyone else. And the canreef users are the customers in this case. Without them, sponsors won't exist. But that doesn't seem to be understood by some...

Thanks for sharing that link. I just browsed through all the suggestions for the site improvements.

This is when I started seeing a lot of drop off as well. They also removed the buy/sell posts from the main page, and put in the sponsor posts.

I hate to say it guys but a forum like this doesn't run for free. We get to enjoy a free platform while there are server costs, etc. I can totally understand why vendors are given some leeway.

I always hope that doesn't come at the "cost" of honest reviews and or excess censorship, but in the end it is the user that will dictate the format. If people don't like what's happening they simply stop coming to the site and using other outlets. It's up to the mods and Titus to decide what they can tolerate and what they can't, and I will never question them on this as it's their site, not ours.

I for one think that this has been done fairly well for the most part. I have encountered my share of paid vendor censorship, and while I was grumpy with it, I never claimed it was unfair. It's completely within their rights :)

I don't know how much people have been ordering from J&L as a result of their sponsorship here but they obviously crunched the numbers and no longer felt it was worth while. I get a chuckle at people saying "we spend so much money there, they must be making cash off of us". It's not a cheap membership to be a vendor here (depending on how you look at it I guess). Once you factor in the actual profit they make off of the sales, that's a lot of fish food they need to sell to break even.

Just my 2 cents :)

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