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Oilers 03-17-2013 03:08 AM

I need a vacation.. suggestion needed!
 
After spending the last hour or so shoveling over 15 cm of snow off my driveway, I figure I've had enough of this stupid weather. I gonna book a vacation out of this winter forever land.
I am thinking of going to Varadero, Cuba since I haven't been there before. Have you been there? What were your favorite activities or places? Once again, I am bringing my kids with me (5 and 3 yrs old) so I need something that we can do as a whole family. I have gotten some excellent recommendations from you guys for our last trip to Mexico so I figure I go the old well once more. Any information that you provide may help us a long way in making our trip as enjoyable as it can be. Thank you.
PS My wife is Canadian permanent resident. Is she allowed to travel to Cuba? I'll check with my travel agent on Monday but I thought I check with you guys first. Once again, thanks a bunch.

swill 03-17-2013 03:17 AM

I went there about 10 years ago and thought it was ok. The water was not that great if you like to go in the ocean. In my opinion it's best to go with the 4+ star hotels or you're going to be disappointed in the quality of everything including food. The hotel I stayed at is no longer there but I heard that Breezes is nice. For stuff to do it's the same as everywhere else, there is dolphin excursions, snorkeling, there is a little market there with local vendors and if you want you can go to Havanah which is a nice little city and not too far from there. It doesn't have great shopping areas but excellent Rum and cigars obviously. I would recommend it if you're looking to just go somewhere and not looking to break the bank going.

Canadians are allowed there...oh and the airport scared me as it's not as friendly as I was use to (security guards in full army gear including huge guns just standing and staring at you)

Aquattro 03-17-2013 03:20 AM

Cuba is nice, but I haven't been with kids so can't suggest family activities. I don't see any problem with your wife going. If you go, make sure you book 5 star, as that's going to be about a 3 star anywhere else. If you go to a resort, eat local food, it's what they make best. There are a lot of good restaurants in town, and you can probably arrange a home cooked meal through someone at the hotel. Some of the best meals I had was while staying with a family in Havana.

Aquattro 03-17-2013 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by swill (Post 803119)
...oh and the airport scared me as it's not as friendly as I was use to (security guards in full army gear including huge guns just standing and staring at you)

I've never seen that any time I've gone.

Only time I saw armed patrols was in Havana when I went to rally to hear Castro giving a speech. Then ya, lots of guns :)

Oilers 03-17-2013 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by swill (Post 803119)
I went there about 10 years ago and thought it was ok. The water was not that great if you like to go in the ocean. In my opinion it's best to go with the 4+ star hotels or you're going to be disappointed in the quality of everything including food. The hotel I stayed at is no longer there but I heard that Breezes is nice. For stuff to do it's the same as everywhere else, there is dolphin excursions, snorkeling, there is a little market there with local vendors and if you want you can go to Havanah which is a nice little city and not too far from there. It doesn't have great shopping areas but excellent Rum and cigars obviously. I would recommend it if you're looking to just go somewhere and not looking to break the bank going.

Canadians are allowed there...oh and the airport scared me as it's not as friendly as I was use to (security guards in full army gear including huge guns just standing and staring at you)

Yes, we will be booking 4+ star hotels only. I also heard a lot of complaints about their foods. It's so bland they said. What did you take to go to Havana? Bus, taxi or shuttle from the hotel?

Oilers 03-17-2013 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquattro (Post 803121)
Cuba is nice, but I haven't been with kids so can't suggest family activities. I don't see any problem with your wife going. If you go, make sure you book 5 star, as that's going to be about a 3 star anywhere else. If you go to a resort, eat local food, it's what they make best. There are a lot of good restaurants in town, and you can probably arrange a home cooked meal through someone at the hotel. Some of the best meals I had was while staying with a family in Havana.

When did you go Brad? I will definitely try the local foods there. I love trying out new dishes. Do they speak a lot of English there? What did you use to get around town?

hillegom 03-17-2013 03:42 AM

I'v e been to Varadaro, and didn't like it because it was too touristy for me. The beaches always had a red flag out to warn you not to swim. Though some people swam anyway. My friend went there and had a totally different experience. He loved it. Swam every day and on some reefs as well, where he saw a lot of life.I must have been on the wrong beach.
I would recommend, You use google earth, satellite, and see if the hotel you are thinking of has a reef outside.
I've been 3 times to Cuba and have always felt safe. Just didn't like Varadaro.

Werbo 03-17-2013 03:51 AM

Cozumel is nice. Been twice.

Very quite. Great snorkeling. Food is unreal.

Aquattro 03-17-2013 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Oilers (Post 803129)
When did you go Brad? I will definitely try the local foods there. I love trying out new dishes. Do they speak a lot of English there? What did you use to get around town?

I've been a few times. The resorts are pretty good for English, but the family I stayed with spoke none at all. Most people in the city do not speak it. Last time I was there was 3 years ago.

Aquattro 03-17-2013 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Oilers (Post 803129)
What did you use to get around town?

To get around, I took the public bus, or private taxis in Havana. You'd need to speak Spanish though, so maybe stick to the tour arranged transport and legal taxis :)

Oilers 03-17-2013 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyler Werbowski (Post 803136)
Cozumel is nice. Been twice.

Very quite. Great snorkeling. Food is unreal.

We'll be back to Mexico for a wedding so I try not to go there this time. Thanks for the suggestion though.

Oilers 03-17-2013 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquattro (Post 803145)
To get around, I took the public bus, or private taxis in Havana. You'd need to speak Spanish though, so maybe stick to the tour arranged transport and legal taxis :)

Yes sir. Too bad I didn't take Spanish in High school instead of French. Time to register for Spanish 101 I guess :biggrin:

Reef_Geek 03-17-2013 04:49 AM

I went to Varadaro twice. IMO it's in the category of good value for relaxation. It's hard to find a destination like this for $1K to $1.5K including flights, a week of food and lodging.

You can pay a bit more for nicer places. I went to Sandals for about $1800 per person. It's adults only, but I assume there are other choices that are kids friendly of this caliber. The food at Sandals was great. I pretty much had surf and turf every night with smoked salmon appetizer. Not local food, but really good resort food.


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Reef_Geek 03-17-2013 04:53 AM

On another trip, we stayed with Iberostar Varadaro. It was for a friend's wedding and there were kids within the group. This place has ok food, but it's just your run of the mill foods. It was a great resort though, with nightly early shows for kids, and then the adult oriented live shows followed. The resort also had regular activities where staff went around and solicited participation... I played a lot of volleyball with friends there. Kids easily met friends at the pool or beach, but the place was big enough that kids and families didn't bother us. It was nice to drink with friends and chill on the beach.

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Aquattro 03-17-2013 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Oilers (Post 803148)
Yes sir. Too bad I didn't take Spanish in High school instead of French. Time to register for Spanish 101 I guess :biggrin:

As long as you show some effort, the locals will appreciate it. You can learn the basics in a week.
The first time I went anywhere was to Havana, and spoke three words in Spanish. It was embarrassing :) So when I got home, I started studying and now speak a fair bit so I can carry on casual conversations.

But Google basic Spanish, learn greetings, please, thank you, where is stuff, etc. Cuba is de nada for you're welcome vs con gusto in other countries. Papaya is a bad word and do NOT use it outside of the buffet at the resort :)
most other stuff is generic. A popular tourist phrase is "mucho bueno" which means nothing in any proper form :) Those were 2 of my three words my first trip -lol And spending the week with a family that spoke 2 words in English made it very interesting. Actually one of my most memorable vacation times, but I felt bad for assuming everyone in a foreign country would speak my language. They don't!

Aquattro 03-17-2013 04:58 AM

Oh, and if you know French at all, Spanish shouldn't be tough. Same language structure with feminine/masculine, verb tense, etc. Also formal vs. casual greetings.

"Como Estas" for casual, staff that call you amigo or campenero. "Como esta usted" for more formal greetings. Assume all women are Senora, not seniorita.
But similar to French. Not tough to learn if you've already played with other languages.

Reef_Geek 03-17-2013 05:00 AM

There's a number of off resort excursions that you can do. Cuba is communist so all the tours are government operated. The country is quite safe as they have a very limited tourism market (mostly Canada and Europe), so the government works hard to keep tourists safe. Locals treat tourists like gold. You convert your CAD to Cuban Convertible Pesos at the hotel (like USD exchange rate) but each tourist Cuban Convertible Peso that you tip is like tipping them $25 so they work hard for tips without being imposing.

Of the off-resort trips, we liked the local province (Matanzas) trip, the snorkelling trip to coral beach, the boat cruise to Cayo Blanco. The trip to Havana was ok just to say that we did it, but we felt very 'processed' as it is their most demanded trip so they just rush you through the full day. Skip the jeep safari if you go on many other trips, as you just hit the same spots as all the other tours.



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Aquattro 03-17-2013 05:09 AM

All those pics make me want to go back :)

Reef_Geek 03-17-2013 05:16 AM

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Reef_Geek 03-17-2013 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquattro (Post 803167)
All those pics make me want to go back :)

Me too... :biggrin:

my next trip is Florida Keys though. Going to get some dives logged. It's been about 7 years since I was there. I recall great snorkeling with lots of big animals in the marine preserves.

Oilers 03-17-2013 05:39 AM

Wow.. those are beautiful pictures Reef_Geek. Thank you so much for the pictures and the detailed information. So should I bring Canadian or US dollars to Cuba? Which do they prefer or it doesn't really matter since they gonna force you to convert everything to Cuban convertible pesos?

Reef_Geek 03-17-2013 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Oilers (Post 803181)
Wow.. those are beautiful pictures Reef_Geek. Thank you so much for the pictures and the detailed information. So should I bring Canadian or US dollars to Cuba? Which do they prefer or it doesn't really matter since they gonna force you to convert everything to Cuban convertible pesos?

Thanks! Glad you like.

I brought CAD and converted as I went. The front desk at the hotel can convert for you. Sometimes around the resort, I tipped CAD. I tipped our room maid $5 CAD a day and she left me a personal thank you note every day.

The tours can be purchased at the hotel, where tour sales reps have daily hours. They'll take Visa. (will not accept AMEX due to embargo).

Aquattro 03-17-2013 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Reef_Geek (Post 803184)
They'll take Visa. (will not accept AMEX due to embargo).

As long as it's a non US based Visa company. Cards like CitiBank won't work.

Oilers 03-17-2013 04:23 PM

More snow today.. can't wait until I see the travel agent on Monday.

Oilers 04-20-2013 04:50 PM

Just want to say thank you again for all your opinion/recommendation. We had a really good time in Varadero and I would come back there in a heart beat.
It's cloudy and windy with a chance of rain/snow in Edmonton today. Would this ever stop??

Reef_Geek 04-20-2013 05:07 PM

Glad to hear you had a good time.

Alberta April... sigh... yeah.

Kryptic4L 04-20-2013 11:05 PM

Reef geek I stayed in jibacoa last year, between veradero and Havana.

Some of the best reef I've seen, extremely lush and full of life my camera died after my first picture of a cuttlefish so I had to just enjoy it for the week. No pics

Reef_Geek 04-21-2013 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kryptic4L (Post 813195)
Reef geek I stayed in jibacoa last year, between veradero and Havana.

Some of the best reef I've seen, extremely lush and full of life my camera died after my first picture of a cuttlefish so I had to just enjoy it for the week. No pics

too bad your camera is toast.

I don't think I'm going to go back to Cuba any time soon.

I already have my next trip booked / paid. Going back to Florida to log some dives in Key Largo. There's a number of MPAs in Florida waters and stringent fishery regulations, reinforced with enforcement infrastructure & penalties that are debilitating to offenders.

When I think of a reef that is 'lush' there's got to be apex predators that keep lower trophic levels in check, in balance, and so diversity is sustained. Most dives in Florida will include encounters with many apex predators bigger than yourself. Jew fish (PC name is now Goliath grouper), reef sharks, bull sharks, lemon sharks, nurse sharks, baracudas etc. A tell tale sign of whether a system is locally over fished or not... is whether you commonly see apex predators. If they are present, there is strong protection in place to protect (both) them... and their food species. This is why places like Florida Keys and Bonaire are such gems... unlike other places in the Caribbean that lack the means or economics to protect their fisheries.

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