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Doug 04-11-2012 12:53 AM

Wow, another 1st pick
 
Wholley crap Oilers. :shocked!:

Another first. Sooner or later with all that young talent, you have to finish at least 3rd. last......:heh:

btymens 04-11-2012 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug (Post 703677)
Wholley crap Oilers. :shocked!:

Another first. Sooner or later with all that young talent, you have to finish at least 3rd. last......:heh:


Sweet! What are the chances!

ensquire 04-11-2012 01:19 AM

Now, who do they pick ?
One of the Russians or Murray.
I think they should trade away the pick for a top Dman and a lower pick.

Oilers 04-11-2012 01:52 AM

It is a good day to be an Oilers fan. Not so much if you are a Columbus fan though :twised:

bignose 04-11-2012 03:00 AM

HAHA that kicks ass.... kind of. :lol: The last time a team got 3 years in a row it was the Nordiques.

claymax 04-11-2012 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bignose (Post 703741)
HAHA that kicks ass.... kind of. :lol: The last time a team got 3 years in a row it was the Nordiques.

and then they went and won the cup, well as the avalanche, but the same team none the less

troni 04-11-2012 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ensquire (Post 703695)
I think they should trade away the pick for a top Dman and a lower pick.

also get rid of hemsky already

The Grizz 04-11-2012 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bignose (Post 703741)
HAHA that kicks ass.... kind of. :lol: The last time a team got 3 years in a row it was the Nordiques.

It's obvious that someone in the NHL organization was feeling sorry for the Oilers once again this year.

MarkoD 04-11-2012 04:22 AM

they should trade it for iginla

Oilers 04-11-2012 04:25 AM

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I think they should trade away the pick for a top Dman and a lower pick.
They can trade the 1st pick to Columbus for Nash. He wants out of Columbus anyway. I take Nash over those two Russian players any day.
It works in Columbus favor as well. With #1 and #2 picks, they can pick both Russians and build their team around those two players.

Oilers 04-11-2012 04:29 AM

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they should trade it for iginla
You must be kidding. Iggy doesn't have much left, maybe one or two years max. I also doubt he wants to play for the Oilers.

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It's obvious that someone in the NHL organization was feeling sorry for the Oilers once again this year.
It's more like somebody just wanting to screw Columbus badly this year. :lol:

Lance 04-11-2012 04:32 AM

Wow! If the Oilers can somehow persuade all these top picks to stick around for awhile they're going to be pretty damn good. Until they get better defensively though it may take some time.

StirCrazy 04-11-2012 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Oilers (Post 703788)
They can trade the 1st pick to Columbus for Nash. He wants out of Columbus anyway. I take Nash over those two Russian players any day.
It works in Columbus favor as well. With #1 and #2 picks, they can pick both Russians and build their team around those two players.

not good picks, I still have to look at the talent in the draft though and see whats there, never thought we would get 1st this year again, and even so they should probably either take ryan murray or trade it for a top line defence, that is what we're realy lacking.

or maybe even a trade for a good goalie. hmmm


Steve

bignose 04-12-2012 03:00 AM

I agree the Oilers need better defence. We have young talent that play well but are getting the sh!t kicked out of them. I can see some over paid under achiever players on the chopping block soon.

MMAX 04-13-2012 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Oilers (Post 703788)
They can trade the 1st pick to Columbus for Nash. He wants out of Columbus anyway. I take Nash over those two Russian players any day.
It works in Columbus favor as well. With #1 and #2 picks, they can pick both Russians and build their team around those two players.

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

MMAX 04-13-2012 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bignose (Post 704118)
I agree the Oilers need better defence. We have young talent that play well but are getting the sh!t kicked out of them. I can see some over paid under achiever players on the chopping block soon.

Like who?

Edmonton newbie 04-13-2012 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MMAX (Post 704614)
Like who?

HORCOFFUP:twised:

subman 04-13-2012 03:59 PM

Why get rid of Horcoff? I understand he isn't worth his contract but this isn't a cap team so it doesn't matter how much he gets paid. He is a decent 3rd line center, the problem was when he was our first line center, he is far from that now.

(Im not a Horcoff fan at all)

muck 04-13-2012 04:12 PM

PLease... please get rid of Horcoff. Can't stand that guy.

Ironically though the 1 game i made it too this season he scored the winning goal. :twitch:

Oilers 04-13-2012 04:23 PM

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PLease... please get rid of Horcoff. Can't stand that guy.
How do you get rid of Kevin Lowe's son-in-law? It's impossible. What? He's not Lowe's son-in-law? Hmm, I have always thought that's the reason he got that big fat contract in the first place. My bad! :twised:

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Ironically though the 1 game i made it too this season he scored the winning goal.
And that alone worths 7M. Don't you think?

muck 04-13-2012 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Oilers (Post 704728)
And that alone worths 7M. Don't you think?

If he got paid for every giveaway/turnover he would be worth that for sure, probably much more. :twised:

subman 04-13-2012 04:36 PM

I agree its a bad (super bad) contract but I do find it funny how fans hate a player for his contract. The only person who should care is Katz. Its not like his contract is stopping us from signing free agents, the Oil have tons of cap space.

muck 04-13-2012 04:38 PM

I honestly don't care how much the contract is... he could be playing for free and Id still pray he was playing for Calgary or at the least a healthy scratch. :mrgreen:

Oilers 04-13-2012 04:43 PM

I don't hate Horcoff because of his contract. He can make 10M for 10 years, I would care less if he actually performs. He's just dead weight now as far as I am concerned. Nobody wants him and that's why we can't trade him away.

subman 04-13-2012 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Oilers (Post 704742)
I don't hate Horcoff because of his contract. He can make 10M for 10 years, I would care less if he actually performs. He's just dead weight now as far as I am concerned. Nobody wants him and that's why we can't trade him away.

No we can't trade him because of his gross contract. Again I'm no fan of his but in his defence he was put in a crap position by the team, he was a shutdown center expected to score goals as well. It's been constant theme on this team, players not knowing their roles and being asked to do what they have never done. I am glad to see it changing but I think that comes from having enough top end talent to allow the role players like Horcoff and the like to be role players.

(I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone before it was a general statement, mostly brought on by listening to sports radio all day lol)

ponokareefer 04-13-2012 05:00 PM

Considering how little Oilers fans have had to cheer for for so long now, this was great day for all of us. How many teams have gone through rebuilds and still have most of the seats sold on a lot of nights?

As for Horcoff, he may become tradeable in the last 2 years of his contract. Although his cap hit remains at $5.5M, his actual salary drops to $4M and then $3M. A non-cap team might be interested. His salary is still $6M next year though, so he won't be going anywhere soon.

Oilers 04-13-2012 05:08 PM

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Again I'm no fan of his but in his defence he was put in a crap position by the team, he was a shutdown center expected to score goals as well.
A shutdown center, really? A minus 23 rating is not really a shut down center in my opinion. Last time I looked, that's the worst on the team :redface:

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How many teams have gone through rebuilds and still have a sold out building on a lot of nights?
I agree. Maybe Canadians are just crazy about their hockey. Check out the Maple Laughs. They are in worse shape than the Oilers and their building is sold out every night. It's great to be the owner of that team :mrgreen:

ensquire 04-13-2012 05:15 PM

They should buy him out, Katz has lots of cash.
I was shocked by the Hemsky signing. At least a million a year to much.
I think he could have been signed for 3.5 to 4 million.


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Originally Posted by ponokareefer (Post 704753)
Considering how little Oilers fans have had to cheer for for so long now, this was great day for all of us. How many teams have gone through rebuilds and still have most of the seats sold on a lot of nights?

As for Horcoff, he may become tradeable in the last 2 years of his contract. Although his cap hit remains at $5.5M, his actual salary drops to $4M and then $3M. A non-cap team might be interested. His salary is still $6M next year though, so he won't be going anywhere soon.


subman 04-13-2012 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Oilers (Post 704760)
A shutdown center, really? A minus 23 rating is not really a shut down center in my opinion. Last time I looked, that's the worst on the team :redface:

True but he is out against the top line on every team. Im not a fan of plus minus I think its a poor representation of defensive ability. I have no idea why I keep defending him lol...I'd rather he wasn't here as well :redface:

ponokareefer 04-13-2012 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ensquire (Post 704767)
They should buy him out, Katz has lots of cash.
I was shocked by the Hemsky signing. At least a million a year to much.
I think he could have been signed for 3.5 to 4 million.

I agree that Hemsky was signed for too much, but it is only for 2 more years, so only Hall's and Eberle's new contracts will be in effect by then.

Oilers 04-13-2012 05:29 PM

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True but he is out against the top line on every team. Im not a fan of plus minus I think its a poor representation of defensive ability. I have no idea why I keep defending him lol...I'd rather he wasn't here as well
That's what a shut down center does... shutting down the other team top line. I am not a big fan of plus/minus either but still, it does show something. And at -23, he's horrible at shutting down anybody.

subman 04-13-2012 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Oilers (Post 704775)
That's what a shut down center does... shutting down the other team top line. I am not a big fan of plus/minus either but still, it does show something. And at -23, he's horrible at shutting down anybody.

True but the defence was sketchy at the best of times and for over half the year the Goaltending wasn't up to par as well.

Lol I can't stop.

Anyway enough old player talk what do you think the should do with the first pick?

Oilers 04-13-2012 05:37 PM

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Anyway enough old player talk what do you think the should do with the first pick?
I think they should trade away and fill the holes on this team. Swapping picks with Columbus for Jack Johnson is not a bad idea. They can use the #2 pick to pick Murray. We would have then 2 pretty good D-man.

subman 04-13-2012 05:45 PM

I'm sort of on the fence (very weird of me I'm very opinionated my wife says) If they can pull the trigger on a top flight D-man sure but I could also see taking Yakupov and start winning 8-6 lol Thats a ridiculous top six!

Oilers 04-13-2012 05:50 PM

I am all for 8-6 games. I love wild open hockey and end to end rushes. Unfortunately, in today's NHL, it's the defense that will win championship so I think I would go for some top notch D-man instead.

ponokareefer 04-13-2012 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by subman (Post 704779)
Anyway enough old player talk what do you think the should do with the first pick?

Take Yakupov or trade the pick straight up for a top pairing defenceman currently playing in the league. Someone like Oliver Ekman-Larsson. I don't like the idea of trading for multiple lesser parts or more draft picks.

subman 04-13-2012 05:57 PM

true but even best case scenario its years before they are in the conversation when it comes to the stanley cup. Drafting D-men is a questionable choice always. There are more Barkers than Doughty's.

Now if Tambo can swing a trade for Suter or Webber he is the GM of the year!

What D-man would you like to see come back?


would you pull the trigger on a trade for P.K Subban? (I wouldn't personally for the first pick anyway)

ensquire 04-13-2012 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by subman (Post 704796)

Now if Tambo can swing a trade for Suter or Webber he is the GM of the year!

would you pull the trigger on a trade for P.K Subban? (I wouldn't personally for the first pick anyway)

Now that would be perfect, Weber would look good in Oiler Blue.
Subban can stay in Hab town. Not a fan at all, more cockiness than ability there.


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